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Old 3 September 2018, 04:37 AM   #1
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Buyer Beware Tesla

https://youtu.be/iR4CFiuR3tQ
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Old 3 September 2018, 04:45 AM   #2
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Interesting video Eliot.
I’ve read much about Tesla’s lack of a dealer network and spare parts availability.
A minor accident could take your car out of service for an extended period.
Thanks for sharing.
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Old 3 September 2018, 06:08 AM   #3
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I wouldn't buy one until they get all the bugs worked out with these cars.
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Rear bumpers falling off in the rain too.

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Old 3 September 2018, 06:32 AM   #5
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I wouldn't buy one until they get all the bugs worked out with these cars.
Which will most likely not happen before Porsche and other real car companies roll out their own products (that will be able to be repaired in less than six months).
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Old 3 September 2018, 07:16 AM   #6
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I was watching a Telsa video where they were replacing the front electric motors. When they were taking them apart, I realized that these motors look like they can be purchased by anyone, off-the-shelf. Nothing unique at least from an IP perspective. Then I saw a video of Audi's latest electric motor manufacturing facility, and the engineering and design was leagues ahead of anything Tesla could possibly do. A billion dollar IP in just motors alone that look like they are being built to last hundreds of thousands of miles.
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Old 3 September 2018, 07:50 AM   #7
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I own one and while the car is good, with the company’s dubious business practices (like charging you $5500 to unlock software features while making the hardware cost part of the sticker price) - I wouldn’t bet on it being around for long.

Tesla fanboys of course disagree and are eager to throw money to Musk and his poorly managed / cash burning company.
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Tempting just from glancing at the chart.
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Old 3 September 2018, 12:04 PM   #10
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Tempting just from glancing at the chart.
usually difficult to short darlings of wall street. bigger money always wins.
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Old 3 September 2018, 12:07 PM   #11
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It’s a shame, because I am rooting for Tesla to survive, and thrive as an alternative to fossil fueled vehicles.
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It’s a shame, because I am rooting for Tesla to survive, and thrive as an alternative to fossil fueled vehicles.
Don’t worry Paul, others will be along shortly.
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usually difficult to short darlings of wall street. bigger money always wins.
I was thinking I would throw 10 billion at it and see how it shakes out.



You're absolutely right though. Shorting with small bank and small mouth is a recipe for disaster unless you are lucky enough to ride the coat tails of a market mover.
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The electricity to power electric cars most likely comes from a coal fired plant.
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The electricity to power electric cars most likely comes from a coal fired plant.
Not always true, some are nuclear energy.
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Volvo has recently announced that it would be releasing a competitor to the Tesla before 2020
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They unfortunately will have trouble standing against the tides of larger competitors, once they decide to release similar models in higher volume.
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They unfortunately will have trouble standing against the tides of larger competitors, once they decide to release similar models in higher volume.
If history does one thing it should appreciate Tesla's contribution to this. Without them actually "doing it" who thinks the other major car manufacturers would even have an all electric car in their short term roadmap. Most of them have been giving lip service to this for way too long.
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If history does one thing it should appreciate Tesla's contribution to this. Without them actually "doing it" who thinks the other major car manufacturers would even have an all electric car in their short term roadmap. Most of them have been giving lip service to this for way too long.
https://www.volvocars.com/us/about/electrification

Scroll down and look at their 2025 plan.
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I wouldn't buy one until they get all the bugs worked out with these cars.
I will buy one when they make extension cords long enough to last the whole trip.
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The electricity to power electric cars most likely comes from a coal fired plant.
In the US, more and more plants are switching to natural gas. Coal plants are being decommissioned and rebuilt using natural gas since natural gas is cleaner and there's an abundance of it due to all of the fracking.
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In the US, more and more plants are switching to natural gas. Coal plants are being decommissioned and rebuilt using natural gas since natural gas is cleaner and there's an abundance of it due to all of the fracking.
While coal plants damage the atmosphere, fracking is is causing sink holes and forcing gas and oil into water supplies. Its replacing damage for damage unfortunately.
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While coal plants damage the atmosphere, fracking is is causing sink holes and forcing gas and oil into water supplies. Its replacing damage for damage unfortunately.
There is no such thing as something for nothing - equilibrium, if you will.
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I have a friend in the auto industry that claims within 5 yrs Tesla won’t be a thing. Just sayin’.
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It's crazy, I read an article about these same issues in Europe. Everyone seems to be cheering then on (the frustrated owners) but it's asking a bit much of customers.



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I will buy one when they make extension cords long enough to last the whole trip.

That's how I feel too. I don't trust electric cars in that sense either. Also with owners complaining about wait times for a supercharger spot at times in some areas. No way.
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Nuclear 20%, coal 39%. Point is most US electricity is fossil fuel generated unlike France which is 80% nuclear. Germany recently closed all nuclear. China opens several coal fired plants every WEEK!
Lithium ion battery production and eventual disposal has a lot of negative effects on environment.
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Lithium ion battery production and eventual disposal has a lot of negative effects on environment.......
The strip mining of large parts of the African continent for one. Electric is pushed as being the clean green choice, but in reality it's incredibly destructive and anything but green
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The strip mining of large parts of the African continent for one. Electric is pushed as being the clean green choice, but in reality it's incredibly destructive and anything but green
And as nasty as lithium mining is, cobalt mining is probably worse.
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The electricity to power electric cars most likely comes from a coal fired plant.
Which is not actually terrible since coal "spills" are easy to clean up and there have been big advances in coal scrubbing technology. It would be easier to make a coal plant clean than a bunch of tail-pipes. Also the earth can deal with CO2 (via natural processes), but doesn't deal well with nuclear fallout and radiation, I don't know of any natural process that deals with that.

(I'm sort of in the middle btw I like gas burners and tbh I think EMF shielding needs to be required in passenger hybrids and EVs.)
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https://www.volvocars.com/us/about/electrification

Scroll down and look at their 2025 plan.

My point exactly. This plan didn't exist a couple of years ago. Thank You Tesla.
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