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DadsWatch72 · 29 August 2009, 11:02 PM

I would like to say thank you to everyone that has followed this thread and helped with their advice. Its been a long road but I am completely happy with the end result. I hope all of you weren't disappointed by the photos. I stopped the hands to make sure they didn't cover any of the text on the dial. You were all so patient (cough).

There is one question about the watch that I am surprised nobody has asked. Its not shown on any photos because its hard to capture the text but it has an engraving with his signature on the back that has worn over the years. It was engraved with one of those engraving pens by the original owner. The engraving wasn't like a "Comex" engraving as those are machined and deep. If Rolex service center had polished the back on mine it would probably have been taken off completely. I think they did polish it lightly even though it was not indicated on the service papers. If you look carefully you can see the text.

DadsWatch72 · 29 August 2009, 11:08 PM

Close up with bezel included.

DadsWatch72 · 29 August 2009, 11:22 PM

Extreme closeup of text.

DadsWatch72 · 29 August 2009, 11:28 PM

Helium Valve

SLS · 30 August 2009, 12:33 AM

Looks great! What a beauty, enjoy it!
Scott

mike · 30 August 2009, 12:39 AM

Stunning.

Paulie · 30 August 2009, 08:59 AM

Awesome!

Lowflight · 30 August 2009, 09:19 AM

Looks Great.

If it were mine, I would sell it and buy a regular white 1665 and a car...but that is just me. I never understood the double or triple in price for red letters on an otherwise identical watch.

greekbum · 30 August 2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Lowflight

Looks Great.

If it were mine, I would sell it and buy a regular white 1665 and a car...but that is just me. I never understood the double or triple in price for red letters on an otherwise identical watch.

Harold,
I sold my DRSD box papers whole package for 45k in 2006 and never looked back. I bought it for $1500 in 1994 and that was allot than.I loved the watch but I figured I could by 10-20 nice watches and thats what I did.I agree on your advise but to each his own.

T5AUS · 30 August 2009, 02:21 PM

Great story DW, what a long winded saga it has been, very entertaining, almost as good as a Monty Python skit. I was sure you were gona say at the end of it all "sorry guys, there's no watch, just having a bit of fun with you all

( I guess you could still say that now

)
But boy, it was worth the high drama and suspense cause that is one hell of a watch you have there, a classic beauty, good luck to you

Beaumont Miller II · 30 August 2009, 02:30 PM

I will chime in because I didn't see your question answered earlier. It is a Mk III dial... and it looks perfect. I have a Mk IV dial DRSD. The easy way to tell is the size of the print and the way the L sits under the coronet. I am sure by now you looked at the Doubleredseadweller.com website. Your watch is beautiful. As to value, what you have to remember is, it is only worth what someone is willing to pay. The ones you see that are scratched up are only a polish away from looking shiny and new. Its only by looking at the size/width of the lugs and crown guards that you can tell the condition of the case. Values for these watches have dropped considerably this last year. I hope you will not have the urge to sell it until the market improves as it is an heirloom. Congratulations you have what many people consider a grail watch and would rightfully be the centerpiece of a Rolex collection.

The GMT Kid · 30 August 2009, 07:36 PM

That watch looks incredible!

It looks brand new. I don't know what to say. Given the value, I hope you have the courage to fully enjoy it. As much as it deserves to be in a museum where the whole world can enjoy it, it should be on your arm.

You deserve it. Congratulations.

DadsWatch72 · 30 August 2009, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T5AUS

Great story DW, what a long winded saga it has been, very entertaining, almost as good as a Monty Python skit. I was sure you were gona say at the end of it all "sorry guys, there's no watch, just having a bit of fun with you all

( I guess you could still say that now

)
But boy, it was worth the high drama and suspense cause that is one hell of a watch you have there, a classic beauty, good luck to you

I think I would have been hunted down and shot. But that would have been the ultimate joke.

As of now, the watch is unsized and unworn. It will probably stay in its box since I don't plan on wearing it any longer. I will buy a Sub for an everyday watch. Here is one more picture.

Brushpup · 30 August 2009, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

I think I would have been hunted down and shot. But that would have been the ultimate joke.

As of now, the watch is unsized and unworn. It will probably stay in its box since I don't plan on wearing it any longer. I will buy a Sub for an everyday watch. Here is one more picture.

So what will be it's fate then? I guess you will pass down to a Son or Daughter? If you buy a Sub from an AD, you should at least wear it to go watch shopping in. I couldn't resist wearing it once in a while, but I understand wanting to preserve it.

DadsWatch72 · 30 August 2009, 10:25 PM

I wonder what my father would say about the watch if he were still alive. Probably....."Give it back".

He would probably tell me to wear it or he might say something like "Everything that you own, owns you".

therolexguy · 31 August 2009, 02:00 AM

Ok. Please screw in the crown. I know you're taking pictures but I'm worried about it! That is A W E S O M E!

BTW, I've been to that AD in Elkhart and that's not typical behavior for them. They're actually very friendly and family owned. But I understand your opinion, I just wanted to give fair balance. CONGRATS!

DadsWatch72 · 31 August 2009, 02:33 AM

The Elkhart store was put to the test when there wasn't "a buck" to be made. They showed me their true colors that day. They are a "fair weathered friend". Only there when things are going smooth and the sun is shining. I expect more from an AD. But if they are selling and your buying, I'm sure they love ya.

shaggy · 31 August 2009, 10:39 PM

so
are you going to sell and buy more new rolex's?
or even put the cash into something else?
at the begining you thought this watch was not worth much and was a headache to you i just wonder how you feel about it now?
cheers for the beautiful pictures

DadsWatch72 · 31 August 2009, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaumont Miller II

I will chime in because I didn't see your question answered earlier. It is a Mk III dial... and it looks perfect. I have a Mk IV dial DRSD. The easy way to tell is the size of the print and the way the L sits under the coronet. I am sure by now you looked at the Doubleredseadweller.com website. Your watch is beautiful. As to value, what you have to remember is, it is only worth what someone is willing to pay. The ones you see that are scratched up are only a polish away from looking shiny and new. Its only by looking at the size/width of the lugs and crown guards that you can tell the condition of the case. Values for these watches have dropped considerably this last year. I hope you will not have the urge to sell it until the market improves as it is an heirloom. Congratulations you have what many people consider a grail watch and would rightfully be the centerpiece of a Rolex collection.

Thanks for checking into the dial for me. Your the only one that answered the question. I actually asked the question pages ago but nobody responded. Then I asked again recently. The probably couldn't tell from my poor pictures and thats why it wasn't answered the first time I asked. I did go to the website but until I got the watch back and had some close up pictures, I couldn't tell. I went back to the website and compared the dials. I wasn't looking at the L under the coronet, I was looking at the position of the D in Dweller and how its positioned over the first R in Submariner. With the mark 2, the position of the D is pretty far to the right of being over the Sub R. Actually, the D is more over the I in SubmarIner. In the mark 3, the position of the D is not so far to the right but still not directly over the R. With the mark 4, the D is pretty much right over top of the R with the "spine" of the letters aligning. And the mark 5, the D is now to the left over the R. That only leaves the very obvious dials. Mark 6 is Sea Dweller only and mark 7 is just so unique it needs no mention. There are also some unique letters on my dial. The crown has something unique and common with other mark 3's. I'm not talking about the bottom of the crown and if its flat or not. Look at the top of the crown. Can you spot it? If you look really close at the mark 3 on the DRSD website and toggle back to my close up picture of my dial you might spot it.

DadsWatch72 · 1 September 2009, 12:12 AM

Ok, I will just post it. The crown has a little blank spot on the second spike from the left. Double Red website has a close up picture of the text but not the crown. If you look closely though, you can see a little blank spot on their Mark 3 dial also.

onkyo · 1 September 2009, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

Ok, I will just post it. The crown has a little blank spot on the second spike from the left. Double Red website has a close up picture of the text but not the crown. If you look closely though, you can see a little blank spot on their Mark 3 dial also.

Here is a picture of my Mark 3 DRSD ..... hard to tell in the pic if there is that blank spot on the second spike. Maybe your eyes are better than mine. I will take a closer look when I get home from work.

DadsWatch72 · 1 September 2009, 01:25 AM

I don't see it. Maybe its the angle or maybe its not there. Humm

I see some difference of the crown of them all. Those letters and figures are small small small. It looks like the text didn't become close to perfect and uniform until the Mark 7's.

DadsWatch72 · 1 September 2009, 02:13 AM

I have a very good question. I have the watch in the box that I received from the service center. Do you think that leaving the watch on the round foam thing inside of the band could cause it to strech the band over time?

Davvan · 1 September 2009, 02:53 AM

Which is harder.... plastic foam or Rolex Stainless steel........I´d say no damage what so ever....not even after a zillion years!!!!

Now enjoy that beautiful watch of yours, it can take almost everthing you throw at it........stop beeing a wuz

Cheers

David

achova · 1 September 2009, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onkyo

Here is a picture of my Mark 3 DRSD ..... hard to tell in the pic if there is that blank spot on the second spike. Maybe your eyes are better than mine. I will take a closer look when I get home from work.

Here is a close-up of the DRSD I'm considering. I consider it a Mark III dial and it also does not have the thin spoke noted by DW and the DRSD site.

DadsWatch72 · 1 September 2009, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davvan

Which is harder.... plastic foam or Rolex Stainless steel........I´d say no damage what so ever....not even after a zillion years!!!!

Now enjoy that beautiful watch of yours, it can take almost everthing you throw at it........stop beeing a wuz

Cheers

David

How do they get stretched? I don't understand. I thought it was tension over time. Maybe its actual wear on the metal.

DadsWatch72 · 1 September 2009, 03:52 AM

I would like to see that watch without the hands in the way. Seems to me that if someone had a Double Red (like me for example) they would want to show off the lettering and not cover it up with the hands in their picture. The number 2 in white 2000 looks fishy to me.

Davvan · 1 September 2009, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

How do they get stretched? I don't understand. I thought it was tension over time. Maybe its actual wear on the metal.

I´d say a combination...but not from a non moving foam pillow. Wear on metal is the quite common on older bracelet types. Hers´s a pic of my 93150 bracelet from 1991. You can clearly see that metal against metal will eventually take small chunks of the bracelet links...look at the corners.

greekbum · 1 September 2009, 05:52 AM

I have a bracelet on my 1983 Rolex GMT 16750 that has very minimal stretch and I wore it every day.I think it has to do with how loose somebody wears it more than tension.I bought a 1999 Submariner off of this really heavy set man that wore it very loose and it was all stretched out.In less than 9 years.Whipped would be a better word.

DadsWatch72 · 1 September 2009, 06:57 AM

I wonder if some oil would help with the wear? Perhaps some high speed bearing oil. Bones Speed Cream maybe, or do they use some sort of lubricant when they install the bracelet from the factory/service center?

Bones Speed Cream™ is a high temperature, low viscosity synthetic skate lubricant specially formulated by Bones to reduce friction, and provide a durable micro film of lubricant to protect against corrosion. We have found this lubricant to be superior to Teflon® based lubricants in skate environments. Speed Cream™ makes your bearings faster and is very long lasting.

30 August 2009, 12:33 AM	#185
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,399	Looks great! What a beauty, enjoy it! Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

30 August 2009, 08:59 AM	#187
Paulie "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Chicagoland Watch: GMTII and OP! Posts: 1,272	Awesome! __________________

30 August 2009, 02:21 PM	#190
T5AUS "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Phil Location: Brisbane Aus. Watch: ing the time go by Posts: 1,443	Great story DW, what a long winded saga it has been, very entertaining, almost as good as a Monty Python skit. I was sure you were gona say at the end of it all "sorry guys, there's no watch, just having a bit of fun with you all ( I guess you could still say that now ) But boy, it was worth the high drama and suspense cause that is one hell of a watch you have there, a classic beauty, good luck to you __________________ www.journeyjottings.com

30 August 2009, 02:30 PM	#191
Beaumont Miller II "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,615	1665 I will chime in because I didn't see your question answered earlier. It is a Mk III dial... and it looks perfect. I have a Mk IV dial DRSD. The easy way to tell is the size of the print and the way the L sits under the coronet. I am sure by now you looked at the Doubleredseadweller.com website. Your watch is beautiful. As to value, what you have to remember is, it is only worth what someone is willing to pay. The ones you see that are scratched up are only a polish away from looking shiny and new. Its only by looking at the size/width of the lugs and crown guards that you can tell the condition of the case. Values for these watches have dropped considerably this last year. I hope you will not have the urge to sell it until the market improves as it is an heirloom. Congratulations you have what many people consider a grail watch and would rightfully be the centerpiece of a Rolex collection.

1 September 2009, 02:53 AM	#204
Davvan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: David Location: Location Location Watch: out..make way!! Posts: 725	Which is harder.... plastic foam or Rolex Stainless steel........I´d say no damage what so ever....not even after a zillion years!!!! Now enjoy that beautiful watch of yours, it can take almost everthing you throw at it........stop beeing a wuz Cheers David __________________ Mare Nostrum

30 August 2009, 12:39 AM	#186
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Stunning.

30 August 2009, 09:19 AM	#188
Lowflight Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Harold Location: On The Far Right Posts: 1,106	Looks Great. If it were mine, I would sell it and buy a regular white 1665 and a car...but that is just me. I never understood the double or triple in price for red letters on an otherwise identical watch.

30 August 2009, 07:36 PM	#192
The GMT Kid Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: S.F. Peninsula Watch: what you say! Posts: 815	That watch looks incredible! It looks brand new. I don't know what to say. Given the value, I hope you have the courage to fully enjoy it. As much as it deserves to be in a museum where the whole world can enjoy it, it should be on your arm. You deserve it. Congratulations.

30 August 2009, 10:25 PM	#195
DadsWatch72 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: DRSD 1665 #3551XXX Posts: 2,401	I wonder what my father would say about the watch if he were still alive. Probably....."Give it back". He would probably tell me to wear it or he might say something like "Everything that you own, owns you".

31 August 2009, 02:00 AM	#196
therolexguy 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Todd Location: US Posts: 3,524	Ok. Please screw in the crown. I know you're taking pictures but I'm worried about it! That is A W E S O M E! BTW, I've been to that AD in Elkhart and that's not typical behavior for them. They're actually very friendly and family owned. But I understand your opinion, I just wanted to give fair balance. CONGRATS!

31 August 2009, 02:33 AM	#197
DadsWatch72 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: DRSD 1665 #3551XXX Posts: 2,401	The Elkhart store was put to the test when there wasn't "a buck" to be made. They showed me their true colors that day. They are a "fair weathered friend". Only there when things are going smooth and the sun is shining. I expect more from an AD. But if they are selling and your buying, I'm sure they love ya.

31 August 2009, 10:39 PM	#198
shaggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Brett Location: leeds,uk Watch: BLUE ARAB DAYTONA Posts: 691	so are you going to sell and buy more new rolex's? or even put the cash into something else? at the begining you thought this watch was not worth much and was a headache to you i just wonder how you feel about it now? cheers for the beautiful pictures

1 September 2009, 01:25 AM	#202
DadsWatch72 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: DRSD 1665 #3551XXX Posts: 2,401	I don't see it. Maybe its the angle or maybe its not there. Humm I see some difference of the crown of them all. Those letters and figures are small small small. It looks like the text didn't become close to perfect and uniform until the Mark 7's.

1 September 2009, 05:52 AM	#209
greekbum "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Nikos Location: Florida Watch: Rolex GMT 16750 Posts: 8,415	I have a bracelet on my 1983 Rolex GMT 16750 that has very minimal stretch and I wore it every day.I think it has to do with how loose somebody wears it more than tension.I bought a 1999 Submariner off of this really heavy set man that wore it very loose and it was all stretched out.In less than 9 years.Whipped would be a better word. __________________ Follow Me On Instagram @nickgogas Original Owner ROLEX 16750 GMT Daily Wearer For Over 13,000 Days And Counting

1 September 2009, 06:57 AM	#210
DadsWatch72 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: DRSD 1665 #3551XXX Posts: 2,401	I wonder if some oil would help with the wear? Perhaps some high speed bearing oil. Bones Speed Cream maybe, or do they use some sort of lubricant when they install the bracelet from the factory/service center? Bones Speed Cream™ is a high temperature, low viscosity synthetic skate lubricant specially formulated by Bones to reduce friction, and provide a durable micro film of lubricant to protect against corrosion. We have found this lubricant to be superior to Teflon® based lubricants in skate environments. Speed Cream™ makes your bearings faster and is very long lasting.

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