The Voutilainen journey

[waspy1]

Just saw this on IG:
May have to give Kari a call myself...


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[KarlS]

@waspy..just brace yousrelf for the price on this one. Think the Kaen was a once off CHF 220 000 bargain or about GBP 160 000

[waspy1]

Originally Posted by KarlS

@waspy..just brace yousrelf for the price on this one. Think the Kaen was a once off CHF 220 000 bargain or about GBP 160 000

Ouch, ok thanks KarlS. I won't waste his time then! Beautiful movement though, what's the dial like?


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[KarlS]

Originally Posted by waspy1

Ouch, ok thanks KarlS. I won't waste his time then! Beautiful movement though, what's the dial like?


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[waspy1]

Originally Posted by KarlS

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Thanks for that. Nicely done but rather flashy. I'll ask for similar design on the movement and a more sobre dial when I come to order mine...


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[KarlS]

Originally Posted by waspy1

Thanks for that. Nicely done but rather flashy. I'll ask for similar design on the movement and a more sobre dial when I come to order mine...


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sadly uniques get more say on the movement decoration - the unwashed masses get stripes, frosting, ruthenium - let us know how it goes

[waspy1]

Originally Posted by KarlS

sadly uniques get more say on the movement decoration - the unwashed masses get stripes, frosting, ruthenium - let us know how it goes

Will do!! Have to unload several pieces first!


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[lapince]

Originally Posted by waspy1

Will do!! Have to unload several pieces first!


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Are you intent on getting a Voutilainen? That would be great. It's a really cool experience getting a watch exactly like you want, apart from the hands, case and movement you basically choose what you want, what sealed the deal for me was the officers case back with unique engraving, always loved those things

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by lapince

Are you intent on getting a Voutilainen? That would be great. It's a really cool experience getting a watch exactly like you want, apart from the hands, case and movement you basically choose what you want, what sealed the deal for me was the officers case back with unique engraving, always loved those things

how are the nymphs?

[waspy1]

Originally Posted by lapince

Are you intent on getting a Voutilainen? That would be great. It's a really cool experience getting a watch exactly like you want, apart from the hands, case and movement you basically choose what you want, what sealed the deal for me was the officers case back with unique engraving, always loved those things

I wouldn't say I'm intent on it, just letting it gestate in my mind. This would be a big purchase for me and there are many other pieces vying for the same funds. I'd have to liquidate several pieces and my collection is pretty close to how I want it at the moment.


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[KarlS]

Originally Posted by waspy1

I wouldn't say I'm intent on it, just letting it gestate in my mind. This would be a big purchase for me and there are many other pieces vying for the same funds. I'd have to liquidate several pieces and my collection is pretty close to how I want it at the moment.


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Thats the issue...when they start at CHF 72 000 a lot of other watches at other brands come into play

[waspy1]

Originally Posted by KarlS

Thats the issue...when they start at CHF 72 000 a lot of other watches at other brands come into play

Exactly, and while i can feel comfortable spending that on (say) a pre-owned platinum datograph, a custom voutilainen is a harder decision.


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[Hollister]

Originally Posted by KarlS

@waspy..just brace yousrelf for the price on this one. Think the Kaen was a once off CHF 220 000 bargain or about GBP 160 000

Watch xchange sold it for £151,700 (asking price) a few months ago. I think it's rather stunning in its own way. OTOH, you could get both an FPJ tourbillon and the Quantieme Perpetuel for similar money, and I think know what I'd do.

https://www.acollectedman.com/collec...nt=20739456003

[ELITEVIDEOGAMES]

Lapince whats the update on the piece unique ?

[KarlS]

QP I think is great except for the printed numerals. A watch at that price point should have applied or at least cut away numerals like the CS!

[Hollister]

Originally Posted by KarlS

QP I think is great except for the printed numerals. A watch at that price point should have applied or at least cut away numerals like the CS!

I'd like a small seconds on it, but it's no biggie. The numerals are fine from my perspective.

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by Hollister

I'd like a small seconds on it, but it's no biggie. The numerals are fine from my perspective.

You don't think for a guy who spends so much effort on detail and quality that printed numerals are a quick and easy short cut on an expensive watch?

[Hollister]

Originally Posted by KarlS

You don't think for a guy who spends so much effort on detail and quality that printed numerals are a quick and easy short cut on an expensive watch?

Well, actually no I don't, it's not something I'd give a moment's thought to. There must be a reason why he does this, and I would hazard a guess that he's merely imitating his horological hero, Breguet (the man, not the resurrected brand).

You can find applied indices on a Seiko 5, so I don't really agree with you that they are a metric of the "high end".

[lapince]

Originally Posted by KarlS

how are the nymphs?

They're doing fine, being slowly engraved, talked with the engraver and he said he started the work, but as I understand it will take a long time, not so easy job

Originally Posted by waspy1

I wouldn't say I'm intent on it, just letting it gestate in my mind. This would be a big purchase for me and there are many other pieces vying for the same funds. I'd have to liquidate several pieces and my collection is pretty close to how I want it at the moment.

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Well I wasn't sure until I knew that I could get the officer's case back and unique engraving from the guy who engraved all the Voutilainens, and must say I love many of the ones he did

Originally Posted by KarlS

Thats the issue...when they start at CHF 72 000 a lot of other watches at other brands come into play

sure, what stands out here in my case is that it's really a unique piece, not just a Vingt-8 slightly customized, that really sealed the deal for me, plus getting a unique piece from a master watchmaker is also kind of cool

Originally Posted by waspy1

Exactly, and while i can feel comfortable spending that on (say) a pre-owned platinum datograph, a custom voutilainen is a harder decision.

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Well I hesitated between 4 watches, a pt or wg datograph perpetual, which is way above the normal Datograph, a RM 035 or 055, or getting a unique watch where almost everything was how I would want it to be, and I went for the Voutilainen, I mean how cool is it to have a watch exactly how you would imagine the coolest watch, of course I didn't pay 72.000 CHF but a little more, but it should really be a piece of art, some will probably not like the engraved officer's case back, but hey the subject is very personal and not made to please the masses, always loved greek mythology reminds me of my dad who used to tell me the battle of Troy, and Ulysse's quest back home when I was a kid, plus always loved high horology watches with erotic things on the back, for some it might remind them of corny peplums or things like that and they will think it's stupid, but you don't get a piece like that for approval of the others, you really get it for you

Originally Posted by ELITEVIDEOGAMES

Lapince whats the update on the piece unique ?

Like was said before, probably end of May, it was supposed to be June but since I told him my birthday was beginning of June and asked him if I could get it for my birthday, he said he'll do it, so I expect they're on time, I think they will start making it in April, the engraver already started

Originally Posted by KarlS

You don't think for a guy who spends so much effort on detail and quality that printed numerals are a quick and easy short cut on an expensive watch?

I have a problem with watches using printed as well, at a certain level I expect applied but not printed...

[Hollister]

Originally Posted by lapince

I have a problem with watches using printed as well, at a certain level I expect applied but not printed...

Yeah, at the Seiko 5 level. It's not that hard, guys.

[Hollister]

Originally Posted by lapince

Well I wasn't sure until I knew that I could get the officer's case back

That case back would be a deal-breaker for me. We're all different.

[lapince]

Originally Posted by Hollister

That case back would be a deal-breaker for me. We're all different.

Yep, I knew that many wouldn't like, but not a watch for TRF approval, really a personal thing, I love the case back of the MP7 which is the same style as mine will be, for me it adds a huge interest to the watch, but can understand some don't like

[Hollister]

Originally Posted by lapince

Yep, I knew that many wouldn't like, but not a watch for TRF approval, really a personal thing, I love the case back of the MP7 which is the same style as mine will be, for me it adds a huge interest to the watch, but can understand some don't like

Well at least you have applied dial indices, so it's not all bad.

[lapince]

Originally Posted by Hollister

Well at least you have applied dial indices, so it's not all bad.

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by Hollister

Well, actually no I don't, it's not something I'd give a moment's thought to. There must be a reason why he does this, and I would hazard a guess that he's merely imitating his horological hero, Breguet (the man, not the resurrected brand).

You can find applied indices on a Seiko 5, so I don't really agree with you that they are a metric of the "high end".

Didnt say it was teh metric of "high end"... I stated that you would think someone who spent so much effort manufacturing his dial around a movement, finished the movement beautifuly, goes to all th effort to make sure everything switches over immediately at midnight, should take a note from a $ 500 Seiko's book and use applied numerals rather than the printing. If it was done by hand I would be even more impressed...good news each of us have different things we look for in a watch and as they say "one mans meat is another mans poison!" so lets agree to disagree rather than hijack the thread. cheers

[Credor911]

Originally Posted by KarlS

Didnt say it was teh metric of "high end"... I stated that you would think someone who spent so much effort manufacturing his dial around a movement, finished the movement beautifuly, goes to all th effort to make sure everything switches over immediately at midnight, should take a note from a $ 500 Seiko's book and use applied numerals rather than the printing. If it was done by hand I would be even more impressed...good news each of us have different things we look for in a watch and as they say "one mans meat is another mans poison!" so lets agree to disagree rather than hijack the thread. cheers

I understand that you prefer applied indices over printed but it would be wrong to think that fpj is cutting corners or taking the easy route when he does printed indices. He does his movements in gold just because he believes his customers should get the highest quality and get something precious for their money. Im sure there is a reason why he prints on some models.

[lapince]

I don't think FPJ cut corners at all when you see their movements and all, but like Karl I much prefer applied numerals rather than printed, for me it gives something more, but on some watches printed might look better with the overall design

[GreenRust]

Wow, can't wait to see the finished article.

Re the applied vs painted. I don't know; I love both. In a pinch, if pushed I might have to side with applied (more depth / dimension). However, saying that painted numerals look great on enamel and I love enamel dials - again such depth

I'm a huge fan of FPJ, especially the CB. The only thing that bothers me with that watch is the hands - not the shape or color, but the fact that they look stamped, without any added finesse or work to elevate them. Just my opinion based on increasingly poor eyesight.

[Hollister]

Originally Posted by KarlS

Didnt say it was teh metric of "high end"... I stated that you would think someone who spent so much effort manufacturing his dial around a movement, finished the movement beautifuly, goes to all th effort to make sure everything switches over immediately at midnight, should take a note from a $ 500 Seiko's book and use applied numerals rather than the printing. If it was done by hand I would be even more impressed...good news each of us have different things we look for in a watch and as they say "one mans meat is another mans poison!" so lets agree to disagree rather than hijack the thread. cheers

That Seiko is < £70.

But if inked numerals are a no-no for you, that's the way it is. It seems a weird thing to have a hangup about, but hey.

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by Hollister

That Seiko is < £70.

But if inked numerals are a no-no for you, that's the way it is. It seems a weird thing to have a hangup about, but hey.

Round and round we go....it's not a hang up.... on a $70k watch it's an expectation...on the CB it's expected but he didn't in the CS...I am sure there is a reason now if someone can explain the why...can we go back an enjoys Arnaud and his nymphs??? It's his thread!