Odysseus vs. Nautilus?

[7sins]

Rather save the money and get a VC overseas if we are doing something different than PP and AP. No contest.

The ALS bracelet looks like it is from a movado or fossil watch.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by PJ S

Relax Jace… those are just mock-ups by Russell, using his imagination (and a bit of assistance from Photoshop).

I know. If we can’t armchair quarterback and then where is the fun?


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[Ichiran]

Went to the Lange boutique and handled the watch. It is very lovely but need a few prior purchases to place an order. Here are some pics.
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I was there for only 15 minutes and there were 3 groups of people also looking for this watch. My take is this will be very popular.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Went to the Lange boutique and handled the watch. It is very lovely but need a few prior purchases to place an order. Here are some pics.

I'll pass on that basis alone.

What do they think this is? A Nautilus? :)

Still, I maintain my love for Lange. I wish they capitalized on the crazy market by making this accessible.

[DasKptl]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

It is very lovely but need a few prior purchases to place an order.

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

What do they think this is? A Nautilus? :)

They'll also do the bundling game. You have to buy a Zeitwerk or a Datograph to get an Oddysseus.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by DasKptl

They'll also do the bundling game. You have to buy a Zeitwerk or a Datograph to get an Oddysseus.

Ironically, I'd buy those solo -- because they're both incredible watches. :)

[Passionata]

It s a nice watch but
A,not sporty
B,wont be sought after

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

This is a sports watch... the other one meh

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Tudor incoming in patek lol

Congrats my brother......

I bet it harder to get then the Patek Nautilus or Aquanaut....

Stop showing of your bare feet.....

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I'll pass on that basis alone.

What do they think this is? A Nautilus? :)

Still, I maintain my love for Lange. I wish they capitalized on the crazy market by making this accessible.

I honestly like the blue dial very much. If only it is a straightforward purchase.....

Originally Posted by DasKptl

They'll also do the bundling game. You have to buy a Zeitwerk or a Datograph to get an Oddysseus.

They said a "high-value" piece as a bundle, if there is no prior history. Just quoting them....

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Went to the Lange boutique and handled the watch. It is very lovely but need a few prior purchases to place an order. Here are some pics.
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I was there for only 15 minutes and there were 3 groups of people also looking for this watch. My take is this will be very popular.

Thanks for sharing my brother....

Still prefer your 5712.....

[Josh1000]

Anthony de Haas : Director of Product Development stated that this watch is not a LE. He went as far as to state "that production will meet demand just like they do with other models. Available from November production will increase as watchmakers are trained". I think boutiques are just trying to create an air of exclusivity. My gut says this is a "hook product" that they will use to attract first time owners and hope to cross sell other models in the future.
Whilst I like certain aspects of the watch it looks really thick on the wrist and there are huge gaps under the lugs where it sits on the wrist...my gut says this.might be successful although I think it competes more with Urban Jurgensen than anything else

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Josh1000

Anthony de Haas : Director of Product Development stated that this watch is not a LE. He went as far as to state "that production will meet demand just like they do with other models. Available from November production will increase as watchmakers are trained". I think boutiques are just trying to create an air of exclusivity. My gut says this is a "hook product" that they will use to attract first time owners and hope to cross sell other models in the future.
Whilst I like certain aspects of the watch it looks really thick on the wrist and there are huge gaps under the lugs where it sits on the wrist...my gut says this.might be successful although I think it competes more with Urban Jurgensen than anything else

It's worth noting that the Blue Dial SS SkyDweller isn't an LE either. :) Yet most AD's only see 1-2 per year.

You can state it's not an LE but still "limit it by production."

LE just means it's numbered (XX/YY).

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

It's worth noting that the Blue Dial SS SkyDweller isn't an LE either. :) Yet most AD's only see 1-2 per year.

You can state it's not an LE but still "limit it by production."

LE just means it's numbered (XX/YY).

This.....^^^.....

ALS production numbers around, what 6,000 watch per year.....??

[Josh1000]

^^ then what does his comment production will.meet demand mean?

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Josh1000

^^ then what does his comment production will.meet demand mean?

I'll believe it when I see it.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Josh1000

I think it competes more with Urban Jurgensen than anything else

I mean no disrespect to Urban Jürgensen, but when it comes to sports watches, they aren't what I'd classify as "competition."

It's really a playing field of a very small number of brands (in this price range): Patek, Rolex, AP.

To some extent Omega also eats up some of the market share, but it's a different part of the market, to be honest.

That's really it.

[TJMike]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I mean no disrespect to Urban Jürgensen, but when it comes to sports watches, they aren't what I'd classify as "competition."

It's really a playing field of a very small number of brands (in this price range): Patek, Rolex, AP.

To some extent Omega also eats up some of the market share, but it's a different part of the market, to be honest.

That's really it.

Um, VC.

[TJMike]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Went to the Lange boutique and handled the watch. It is very lovely but need a few prior purchases to place an order.

What a world we live in when a struggling brand decides to play such games Anyway, I hope the watch is a success.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by TJMike

Um, VC.

I love VC. But the VC Overseas isn't even close to those I listed in terms of marketshare. :(

[Josh1000]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I mean no disrespect to Urban Jürgensen, but when it comes to sports watches, they aren't what I'd classify as "competition."

It's really a playing field of a very small number of brands (in this price range): Patek, Rolex, AP.

To some extent Omega also eats up some of the market share, but it's a different part of the market, to be honest.

That's really it.

I was referring to the UJ One which is their sports watch launched at baselworld this year. Blue dial, textured, similar price points (24 v 28) small production numbers and neither had done a SS, bracelet sports watch previously

[TJMike]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I love VC. But the VC Overseas isn't even close to those I listed in terms of marketshare. :(

I agree, but if we are talking about competitors to the Odysseus you have to include the Overseas. The Overseas is a lot less expensive. Moreover, you can go into any VC boutique or AD and get any time-date Overseas withing 6 months without any prior purchase. Lange has decided on a different method where you have to buy a Zeitwerk to get the Odysseus

[helloworldies]

Big Thanks to Ichiran for those real world pictures!

Although it still feels a bit like a dress watch face in a sports watch body, maybe that's appropriate for Lange to retain some of their identity in a new market.

It has a kind of " here is some very useful information in a very clear manner" vibe that I
admire.

With Teutonic efficiency and design, this is a technical watch vs the 5712's more whimsical design.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Josh1000

I was referring to the UJ One which is their sports watch launched at baselworld this year. Blue dial, textured, similar price points (24 v 28) small production numbers and neither had done a SS, bracelet sports watch previously

I know. :)

What I'm saying is they're hardly a competitor. What you're saying is they're a comparison. To be a competitor you have to actually pose some amount of competition. :) And given their marketshare, they aren't competition.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by TJMike

I agree, but if we are talking about competitors to the Odysseus you have to include the Overseas. The Overseas is a lot less expensive. Moreover, you can go into any VC boutique or AD and get any time-date Overseas withing 6 months without any prior purchase. Lange has decided on a different method where you have to buy a Zeitwerk to get the Odysseus

Same comment as above with respect to comparison vs. competitor. :)

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by SL BRABUS

Thanks for sharing my brother....

Still prefer your 5712.....

Originally Posted by helloworldies

Big Thanks to Ichiran for those real world pictures!

Although it still feels a bit like a dress watch face in a sports watch body, maybe that's appropriate for Lange to retain some of their identity in a new market.

It has a kind of " here is some very useful information in a very clear manner" vibe that I
admire.

With Teutonic efficiency and design, this is a technical watch vs the 5712's more whimsical design.

More info - in terms of weight, the Odysseus felt like a AP RO (I guess around 150g). Also, the day and dates are very easy to set using the two pushers on the right side of the case. From those videos I saw, I thought changing the day/date might be challenging but in reality it is buttery smooth.

[Josh1000]

^^ "it competes more with Urban Jurgensen" is what I said...they are competitors to each other...I didnt say either brand is major competition in the sports watch market and to be frank neither is AP or PP based on production volumes versus Rolex!!!

[Russell996]

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[ts3]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I mean no disrespect to Urban Jürgensen, but when it comes to sports watches, they aren't what I'd classify as "competition."

It's really a playing field of a very small number of brands (in this price range): Patek, Rolex, AP.

To some extent Omega also eats up some of the market share, but it's a different part of the market, to be honest.

That's really it.

Honestly, other than scarcity value I can't see any reason for throwing Rolex in a bucket w AP and Patek when it comes to sports watches. Obviously completely different volumes and price points... If anything I'd put Rolex in a bucket w Omega and IWC, but they may very well deserve a bucket of their own.

[MadSpaniard]

Check out some of the the videos below showcasing the new Ody, which offer a better overall sense of the watch than still images.

I'll admit, I like the watch, even with some of its obvious oddities. It's undeniably finely crafted and exudes quality throughout. And for better or worse, I think it's refreshing to see a high-end brand make a concerted effort to create something that's deliberately non-Genta in flavor.

It will be be interesting to see how reactions - both individual opinions and market sentiments - evolve over the next year or two as the Ody finds its way into the world. Initial impressions don't always reflect how a story ultimately unfolds. Let's see what happens.

Introducing Odysseus:
https://youtu.be/rcrUgY_XNtE

Hands-On Odysseus:
https://youtu.be/5qslKx8mdyg

[pam66]

Originally Posted by DasKptl

They'll also do the bundling game. You have to buy a Zeitwerk or a Datograph to get an Oddysseus.

lange in the bundling game??? all their watches - including the odysseus - (will) drop like a stone in value once you leave the store