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Old 13 July 2019, 11:25 PM   #61
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Just because a movement is superior does not mean the watch as a package is better.


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eg 11:59 is superior craftsmanship in every details however as a finished timepiece not even mediocre.
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Old 14 July 2019, 01:08 AM   #62
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Just keep your Patek 5712. The moment to take over the VC you may have issues when you get tired of it and want to go back to your 5712.
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Old 14 July 2019, 03:23 AM   #63
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I was just being told that there are maybe 15 VC Overseas Tourbillon coming to the US this year. That’s a lot rarer than a 5712...
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Old 14 July 2019, 03:24 AM   #64
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I was just being told that there are maybe 15 VC Overseas Tourbillon coming to the US this year. That’s a lot rarer than a 5712...
And yet only 5 people want it

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Supply is irrelevant without the context of the demand level
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Old 14 July 2019, 04:57 AM   #65
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just because a movement is superior does not mean the watch as a package is better.
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Old 16 July 2019, 11:52 PM   #66
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Hell no. Not in a million years.


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Old Yesterday, 10:36 PM   #67
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I was offered a new 2019 Vacheron Constantin Overseas Tourbillon, which has a msrp of 100k.

I can get that watch by trading my 2019 5712/1A plus about 25k USD.

Yes or No?


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Old Yesterday, 10:37 PM   #68
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I was just being told that there are maybe 15 VC Overseas Tourbillon coming to the US this year. Thatís a lot rarer than a 5712...
Well yeah....much harder and more complicated watch to make....of course there are less!
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Old Today, 04:55 AM   #69
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Itís a STUNNING watch in person... the depth of the blue dial is mesmerizing. I played with it for a while at a recent event.

If you can do a straight trade I would seriously consider it. Yes, youíll likely still take a hit on resale, but I tend to focus less on that and more on what will make me happier having on my wrist ó isnít that what itís all about? Youíd still end up with more in your pocket than the 5712 MSRP
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Itís a STUNNING watch in person... the depth of the blue dial is mesmerizing. I played with it for a while at a recent event.

If you can do a straight trade I would seriously consider it. Yes, youíll likely still take a hit on resale, but I tend to focus less on that and more on what will make me happier having on my wrist ó isnít that what itís all about? Youíd still end up with more in your pocket than the 5712 MSRP
Much fairer pic, otherwise its all just money talk, as ever.
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The VC is stunning. I would actually do the trade but with less cash


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Old Today, 07:36 AM   #72
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Iím with skanse; if you can reduce the cash component and you will enjoy the VC more than the 5712....


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Old Today, 07:59 AM   #73
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Leaving economics aside I wouldn't contemplate that trade. The issue is that I could wear a 5712 pretty much all the time no matter if I am in a suit or in swimming trunks. In contrast there are few occasions I wouldn't feel awkward wearing that VC Overseas Tourbillon. Too complicated and not restrained enough to fit my style.
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Old Today, 10:46 AM   #74
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Yes, this is a no brainer.

The 5712 is a nice watch backed by an exhorbitant amount of hype. It is a true $45k watch at its core, regardless of the inflated gray market prices. The VC tourbillon is a true piece of horological excellence and is a true $100k watch, not a $45k watch inflated to near $100k because of demand.

This is a rare opportunity to use the grossly inflated value of the 5712 to your advantage to actually obtain a significantly rare piece of haute horology.
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It really sounds like like OP wants to go for the tourb. Try to do the deal as a straight trade.
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