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dspringer · 21 July 2017, 01:38 AM

Hi All,

I have the opportunity to purchase a Double Red Sea-Dweller from someone I met locally. My question is what would you pay for this watch considering the condition and heavy abuse it seems to have taken? Thanks in advance for the help.

JP Chestnut · 21 July 2017, 01:39 AM

People on the vintage forum would be able to give you much better answers. Maybe a mod could move it?

Tom1675 · 21 July 2017, 02:53 AM

Going to need more pics (esp. the back for this reference) and you wont get a hard value from anyone here. You should find out what a very clean (not mint, not NOS) is retailing for right now at WatchRecon.com and elsewhere, then listen to the experts here tell you whats at issue on the piece and make your valuation.

I dont know the reference well but feel this is a pretty nice example and I personally like the dial a lot, the faded red is very nice. I'm guessing some of the parts have been replaced and I cant tell if you've got a folded bracelet there or not, but its either that or a rivet for this reference, no idea on the clasp...

roh123 · 21 July 2017, 02:59 AM

I'm not a DRSD guy but it could be a very early mk1 double red seadweller. Check out Ed's site and you should be able to determine what it is.

http://www.drsd.com

As for value I wouldn't be able to guess. Depends mostly on rarity as condition is as it is.

traf · 21 July 2017, 03:39 AM

Appears to have seen moisture based on the lume plots.

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watchlovr · 21 July 2017, 04:18 AM

Need photos of the case back, inner case, serial and model numbers.
All of the above will determine what it's worth.
They all have to match the dial type for a top price.
If not matching, price will be lower

SubKing · 21 July 2017, 04:33 AM

I think you should pass personally. insert looks aftermarket, have to see more pics in sunlight to check the dial damage. its in bad shape.

CollectorD · 21 July 2017, 04:38 AM

What price range seems good for this watch though? I'm curious myself.

jedly1 · 21 July 2017, 07:39 AM

Fake .

madmax21 · 21 July 2017, 07:44 AM

I'm not a vintage watch guy... I've stated before in other posts that I buy watches based on my needs since I'm a traveler now I bought a GMT Master II in 2015 always new... I used to dive so I bought my sub back in the 90s.... I've turned at least four or five Rolexes in the last 3 or 4 years ....I will buy and sell watches and never keep a watch I don't wear.

Frankly Speaking newer watches are better made in every way and I'm sorry if you disagree but personally I wouldn't touch the above watch...buy new...

JP Chestnut · 21 July 2017, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmax21

I'm not a vintage watch guy... I've stated before in other posts that I buy watches based on my needs since I'm a traveler now I bought a GMT Master II in 2015 always new... I used to dive so I bought my sub back in the 90s.... I've turned at least four or five Rolexes in the last 3 or 4 years ....I will buy and sell watches and never keep a watch I don't wear.

Frankly Speaking newer watches are better made in every way and I'm sorry if you disagree but personally I wouldn't touch the above watch...buy new...

This post is akin to someone going on the modern board and saying "all the new watches are shiny bling bling fashion jewelry". Plenty think that, yet don't feel compelled to tell you.

Kiaraff · 21 July 2017, 08:48 AM

That's a cheap fake watch!

swish77 · 21 July 2017, 09:41 AM

Big pass.

freefly · 21 July 2017, 10:50 AM

Terry, is that you??

springer · 21 July 2017, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmax21

I'm not a vintage watch guy... I've stated before in other posts that I buy watches based on my needs since I'm a traveler now I bought a GMT Master II in 2015 always new... I used to dive so I bought my sub back in the 90s.... I've turned at least four or five Rolexes in the last 3 or 4 years ....I will buy and sell watches and never keep a watch I don't wear.

Frankly Speaking newer watches are better made in every way and I'm sorry if you disagree but personally I wouldn't touch the above watch...buy new...

Wow, spoken like a faux expert which you obviously are!

Wing Zero · 21 July 2017, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedly1

Fake .

This

Kingface66 · 21 July 2017, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmax21

I'm not a vintage watch guy... I've stated before in other posts that I buy watches based on my needs since I'm a traveler now I bought a GMT Master II in 2015 always new... I used to dive so I bought my sub back in the 90s.... I've turned at least four or five Rolexes in the last 3 or 4 years ....I will buy and sell watches and never keep a watch I don't wear.

Frankly Speaking newer watches are better made in every way and I'm sorry if you disagree but personally I wouldn't touch the above watch...buy new...

At the risk of stating the obvious: WHO CARES?
Seriously, what's your point?

Nikita70 · 21 July 2017, 01:42 PM

I keep reading posts saying 'Fake' and yet no one backs up their assertion with any kinds of facts. At all.

Kingface66 · 21 July 2017, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikita70

I keep reading posts saying 'Fake' and yet no one backs up their assertion with any kinds of facts. At all.

Look at photos of legit dials and compare them with this one. What you'll see is exactly the assertions being made.

CollectorD · 22 July 2017, 12:24 AM

The guy selling this watch is named Ryan Pimenta and he's a known watch scammer -

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f63/arr...n-2598162.html

Kiaraff · 22 July 2017, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freefly

Terry, is that you??

fusionstorm · 22 July 2017, 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Look at photos of legit dials and compare them with this one. What you'll see is exactly the assertions being made.

Forumite jedly1 is very well known in the vintage Rolex world. Consider his opinion as fact when it comes to authenticity.

rolstaff · 22 July 2017, 04:48 AM

I don´t like this dial.....

watchcrank · 22 July 2017, 05:59 AM

That watch has been offered on many sites. I'm betting a fake fraud transaction.

Pimenta is also going by an alias watchmaker Bitterman AKA, and a shill named Josh. Buyer beware.

ekbusdriver · 22 July 2017, 06:59 AM

Ok. please listen to these experts. It IS a fake dial at a minimum.
You were smart enough to post pics and ask, and the experts here can correct me if needed, but please pay attention.

First off, the ONLY DRSD dial with a closed 6 on the "610m" and non-italicized "ft" is the mark IV.
On the IV, the top line of red print is an obviously larger font than the 2nd line. (not the case in your photos) The letters are too close together.
The "ft" should be under the "IN" in submariner. (your photos shows under the "N" only")
The "ft" should not extend below the bottom of the "2000". Think "straight line". (your photos show the "ft" dropping below".

ROLEX is offset to far to the left of the crown.
The "12 o'clock" marker lume is too short.

and much less positive for me, but all the lumes appear to have "damage" far to similar each one to be real.

Hopefully that is enough proof for you.

Kiaraff · 22 July 2017, 07:50 AM

At a minimum! Not a single part is genuine Rolex!

scooba · 22 July 2017, 08:57 PM

MK1 PP DRSD ,

If it was real $100,000 + is my guess but if Jed calls it fake then worthless

madmax21 · 28 July 2017, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingface66

At the risk of stating the obvious: WHO CARES?
Seriously, what's your point?

Well I think we're all entitled to our own opinion my opinion or your statement is much the same .....who cares...lol

Kingface66 · 28 July 2017, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmax21

Well I think we're all entitled to our own opinion my opinion or your statement is much the same .....who cares...lol

Missed my point.

JP Chestnut · 28 July 2017, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Missed my point.

Did he miss it, or did he just not care to understand? It's almost as vexing a queastion as "is my watch vintage".

21 July 2017, 07:44 AM	#10
madmax21 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Toronto Canada Watch: GMT Master ll Posts: 1,036	I'm not a vintage watch guy... I've stated before in other posts that I buy watches based on my needs since I'm a traveler now I bought a GMT Master II in 2015 always new... I used to dive so I bought my sub back in the 90s.... I've turned at least four or five Rolexes in the last 3 or 4 years ....I will buy and sell watches and never keep a watch I don't wear. Frankly Speaking newer watches are better made in every way and I'm sorry if you disagree but personally I wouldn't touch the above watch...buy new... __________________ May the hands of time always treat us well...

21 July 2017, 01:39 AM	#2
JP Chestnut Banned Join Date: May 2012 Location: Ann Arbor MI Watch: Rolex Ref 16600 Posts: 3,908	People on the vintage forum would be able to give you much better answers. Maybe a mod could move it?

21 July 2017, 02:53 AM	#3
Tom1675 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Real Name: Tom Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,172	Going to need more pics (esp. the back for this reference) and you wont get a hard value from anyone here. You should find out what a very clean (not mint, not NOS) is retailing for right now at WatchRecon.com and elsewhere, then listen to the experts here tell you whats at issue on the piece and make your valuation. I dont know the reference well but feel this is a pretty nice example and I personally like the dial a lot, the faded red is very nice. I'm guessing some of the parts have been replaced and I cant tell if you've got a folded bracelet there or not, but its either that or a rivet for this reference, no idea on the clasp...

21 July 2017, 02:59 AM	#4
roh123 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Per Location: Sweden Watch: Gilt Rolex Posts: 2,946	I'm not a DRSD guy but it could be a very early mk1 double red seadweller. Check out Ed's site and you should be able to determine what it is. http://www.drsd.com As for value I wouldn't be able to guess. Depends mostly on rarity as condition is as it is.

21 July 2017, 03:39 AM	#5
traf "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: dave Location: miami Watch: me ride bikes Posts: 1,938	Appears to have seen moisture based on the lume plots. Sent from my iPhone 7+ using Tapatalk

21 July 2017, 04:18 AM	#6
watchlovr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: UK Posts: 252	Need photos of the case back, inner case, serial and model numbers. All of the above will determine what it's worth. They all have to match the dial type for a top price. If not matching, price will be lower

21 July 2017, 04:33 AM	#7
SubKing "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: USA Watch: where do i start?? Posts: 3,254	I think you should pass personally. insert looks aftermarket, have to see more pics in sunlight to check the dial damage. its in bad shape.

21 July 2017, 04:38 AM	#8
CollectorD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Dan Location: NYC Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 355	What price range seems good for this watch though? I'm curious myself.

21 July 2017, 07:39 AM	#9
jedly1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: mel(oz)/Yorks(uk) Posts: 1,917	Fake .

21 July 2017, 08:48 AM	#12
Kiaraff "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Antwerp - Belgium Posts: 116	That's a cheap fake watch!

21 July 2017, 09:41 AM	#13
swish77 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: CT/NYC Watch: ing the time! Posts: 6,792	Big pass.

21 July 2017, 10:50 AM	#14
freefly "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Eric Location: AZ Watch: 4&5-digit Sub/GMTs Posts: 1,974	Terry, is that you??

21 July 2017, 01:42 PM	#18
Nikita70 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Florida Watch: Rolex 16760 Posts: 181	I keep reading posts saying 'Fake' and yet no one backs up their assertion with any kinds of facts. At all.

22 July 2017, 12:24 AM	#20
CollectorD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Dan Location: NYC Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 355	The guy selling this watch is named Ryan Pimenta and he's a known watch scammer - http://forums.watchuseek.com/f63/arr...n-2598162.html

22 July 2017, 04:48 AM	#23
rolstaff Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Juergen Location: Utah Watch: GMT Posts: 308	I don´t like this dial.....

22 July 2017, 05:59 AM	#24
watchcrank "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: michael Location: Florida Watch: explorer II cream Posts: 1,661	That watch has been offered on many sites. I'm betting a fake fraud transaction. Pimenta is also going by an alias watchmaker Bitterman AKA, and a shill named Josh. Buyer beware.

22 July 2017, 06:59 AM	#25
ekbusdriver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Dubai Watch: 14060M 4L Posts: 50	Ok. please listen to these experts. It IS a fake dial at a minimum. You were smart enough to post pics and ask, and the experts here can correct me if needed, but please pay attention. First off, the ONLY DRSD dial with a closed 6 on the "610m" and non-italicized "ft" is the mark IV. On the IV, the top line of red print is an obviously larger font than the 2nd line. (not the case in your photos) The letters are too close together. The "ft" should be under the "IN" in submariner. (your photos shows under the "N" only") The "ft" should not extend below the bottom of the "2000". Think "straight line". (your photos show the "ft" dropping below". ROLEX is offset to far to the left of the crown. The "12 o'clock" marker lume is too short. and much less positive for me, but all the lumes appear to have "damage" far to similar each one to be real. Hopefully that is enough proof for you.

22 July 2017, 07:50 AM	#26
Kiaraff "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Antwerp - Belgium Posts: 116	At a minimum! Not a single part is genuine Rolex!

22 July 2017, 08:57 PM	#27
scooba 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Europe Watch: Anything Posts: 2,490	MK1 PP DRSD , If it was real $100,000 + is my guess but if Jed calls it fake then worthless

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