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Hands90 · 17 July 2017, 12:37 PM

Hello ALL!

So just bought my first Rolex.
A Rolex 1991 GMT Master II Pepsi.

Below are some photos. I'm from the New York area. I'd like to take it to the service center in New York of authentication.
I read a trick on this forum is to ask them to size the bracelet and they will take a look at the watch and obviously tell you that it is or is not authentic. I could pay the $150 (I was told on this forum) for them to officially look at it.

What do you guys think I should do/pay the $150 if that's still a possibility and what do you think of the photos?

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NKflyer · 17 July 2017, 01:54 PM

You can save the trouble of bringing it to Rolex. It's authentic without a doubt.

subsurface · 17 July 2017, 01:56 PM

What makes you question the authenticity?

henrylee · 17 July 2017, 02:01 PM

Looks good to me

CrazyMD · 17 July 2017, 02:06 PM

You can take it to the New York rsc and ask for a quote for service. They will take the watch back, verify its authenticity, and bring it back out with a quote. All for free. Oh and they make sure it's not stolen.

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padi56 · 17 July 2017, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hands90

Hello ALL!

So just bought my first Rolex.
A Rolex 1991 GMT Master II Pepsi.

Below are some photos. I'm from the New York area. I'd like to take it to the service center in New York of authentication.
I read a trick on this forum is to ask them to size the bracelet and they will take a look at the watch and obviously tell you that it is or is not authentic. I could pay the $150 (I was told on this forum) for them to officially look at it.

What do you guys think I should do/pay the $150 if that's still a possibility and what do you think of the photos?

It always amazes with posts like this lets get this straight you have bought and paid for a Rolex watch now you want to have it authenticated.Surely its best to get it authenticated before parting with your money.But from the pictures if that is the actual watch all looks good.

mtgjr · 17 July 2017, 09:27 PM

No issue with authenticity, but man has that thing been polished a lot. The case edges have little sharpness left, the spring bars are nearly protruding from the lug holes, and the crown is nearly gone from the clasp in places.

ras47 · 17 July 2017, 09:56 PM

Here's mine from 2000 for comparison. Looks legit.

cht · 17 July 2017, 10:42 PM

Since you seem know little to nothing about watches, it's worth $150 to make sure it's authenticated then. We're just looking at internet pictures.

Hands90 · 18 July 2017, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyMD

You can take it to the New York rsc and ask for a quote for service. They will take the watch back, verify its authenticity, and bring it back out with a quote. All for free. Oh and they make sure it's not stolen.
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This is a fantastic idea. I might do this.

Tony64 · 18 July 2017, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cht

Since you seem know little to nothing about watches, it's worth $150 to make sure it's authenticated then. We're just looking at internet pictures.

Why would you say that? He's making a fairly common request as best I can tell. I think that your generalization might come across as a bit presumptive and pejorative- but if it doesn't bother the OP then what do I care? Agree that he should go to his AD for authentication - good advice!

Welcome to the forum OP.

Tony64 · 18 July 2017, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtgjr

No issue with authenticity, but man has that thing been polished a lot. The case edges have little sharpness left, the spring bars are nearly protruding from the lug holes, and the crown is nearly gone from the clasp in places.

I was thinking the same thing. Bad polish job would have been a pass for me, regardless of authenticity. Hopefully at least it was priced accordingly.

GLADIATOR · 18 July 2017, 04:25 AM

Welcome
As I told you on the other forum, watch is genuine.
Best
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mtgjr · 18 July 2017, 06:51 AM

You asked pretty much the same question here a year and a half ago....Feb 2016. Are you sure this is your first Rolex? What watch were you looking to authenticate back then?

GLADIATOR · 18 July 2017, 06:58 AM

interesting

Hands90 · 18 July 2017, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtgjr

You asked pretty much the same question here a year and a half ago....Feb 2016. Are you sure this is your first Rolex? What watch were you looking to authenticate back then?

Yes I did but at that time the deal fell through. I'm not completely happy with the over polish but the price was right.
Also this post was mostly for the opinion from the photos.

Hands90 · 19 July 2017, 11:10 AM

UPDATE

I have the GMT on my wrist.

Small issue.

The bezel is unidirectional. This is NOT correct for a GMT. It's 120 click.

SO I'm going to go to Rolex tomorrow and ask them about it.

Worst case I'll send back to the seller. I'm really happy with the watch. I wouldn't be surprised if the seller was the one who polished it. There is not a single scratch on it. I'd rather they left it as it was but what's done is done.

GLADIATOR · 19 July 2017, 01:12 PM

Yes, should be bi-directional.
But don't force it.

Hands90 · 19 July 2017, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Yes, should be bi-directional.
But don't force it.

I'm contacting the seller and I'm going to see about getting it repaired and authenticated.

What do you guys think?

Chewbacca · 19 July 2017, 01:44 PM

This thread is going sideways.

I don't even think it's possible to make a gmt bezel assembly "click". It's a completely different design from the sub and not even worth engineering it into the body of a 16710.

uansari1 · 19 July 2017, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hands90

I'm contacting the seller and I'm going to see about getting it repaired and authenticated.

What do you guys think?

Personally, I think you should look into these things before paying for the watch next time. We don't know if you bought it from an independent seller or a store, and whether they have a return period or provided a warranty. For what it's worth, the bezel issue is likely an easy fix...the click spring probably needs a little bending.

uansari1 · 19 July 2017, 01:59 PM

Edit: Never mind

Hands90 · 19 July 2017, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uansari1

Personally, I think you should look into these things before paying for the watch next time. We don't know if you bought it from an independent seller or a store, and whether they have a return period or provided a warranty. For what it's worth, the bezel issue is likely an easy fix...the click spring probably needs a little bending.

I've been told it's an easy fix but I do agree. If the time was there. I jumped on this one. I'm going to be sure to get it checked. I might go to Manhattan Time Service.

Runnin' Rebel · 19 July 2017, 03:12 PM

What do you mean by click ? Sound ? Or actual movement?

Mine clicks bidirectional from day one BNIB and makes the click sound -2001 GMT - the reason it maybe only goes one way is cause it has a sub click spring installed instead of GMT click spring or it could be bent wrong. No big deal. I never counted it though but I've heard 120 clicks is correct

My AD watchmaker did the sub click spring in mine after a small chsnge in insert color and we had a heated argument about the spring being incorrect. He said GMT and SUB was same click spring. He finally relented and went to his Rolex books and said I was right and fixed it. I never used him again. This was 5/6 years ago

Hands90 · 20 July 2017, 09:45 AM

Update 2

Went to Rolex Service Center in New York.

On the phone they were really nice. I told them the issue and they said to come right in.
After receiving some dirty looks (wearing a dress shirt but not a suit and had a backpack with the Rolex box inside.). The women that took my watch asked about the service history. I told her I didn't know the service history. She stood there and gave me yet another dirty look. Anyway all the rudeness that's expected from Rolex, aside they said they will take it overnight. If it's a serious repair they will ask me to get a FULL SERVICE and if it's a simple fix they might not charge me. I hope for the latter.

We will see.

Runnin' Rebel · 20 July 2017, 05:09 PM

Full service expected

Tell them not to polish the case

Hands90 · 21 July 2017, 04:42 AM

Final UPDATE

Today I went back the RSC and they gave me back my watch %100 working. The bezel is so smooth. It has a really nice action. They didn't mention if they thought it was after market.

I will comment that since starting this forum I have found several examples of bezels that the red stops near the 1 in 18, whereas it usually stops near the 8 in 18.
Also I have to say that the bezel is very much faded. The red is turning pink. This for some might be a negative but I very much like the look.

At the end of the day the price was right for this one.
I'm finally a Rolex member.

Side note: I paid nothing and they gave me 2 clothes and a Rolex travel pouch.

Thanks again guys
This can now be closed unless anyone has something to add.

17 July 2017, 12:37 PM	#1
Hands90 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Hoboken Posts: 299	Rolex 1991 GMT Master II Pepsi - Verification Hello ALL! So just bought my first Rolex. A Rolex 1991 GMT Master II Pepsi. Below are some photos. I'm from the New York area. I'd like to take it to the service center in New York of authentication. I read a trick on this forum is to ask them to size the bracelet and they will take a look at the watch and obviously tell you that it is or is not authentic. I could pay the $150 (I was told on this forum) for them to officially look at it. What do you guys think I should do/pay the $150 if that's still a possibility and what do you think of the photos? Screenshot_20170716-221809.jpg Screenshot_20170716-221821.jpg Screenshot_20170716-221824.jpg Screenshot_20170716-221816.jpg Screenshot_20170716-221849.jpg Last edited by Hands90; 17 July 2017 at 12:41 PM.. Reason: Title Change

17 July 2017, 02:01 PM	#4
henrylee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Socal/LA Watch: 116610LN Ceramic Posts: 3,214	Looks good to me __________________ ♛ Sub 116610LN 2011 ♛ GMT 126710BLNR 2021 ♛ GMT 126711CHNR 2020 ♛ Datejust 16233 X-series 1993 Ω Speedmaster Mitsukoshi 2019 č Cartier Tank w5200025 2021

17 July 2017, 09:56 PM	#8
ras47 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Robert Location: Northern NJ Watch: 16710 BLRO Posts: 3,063	Here's mine from 2000 for comparison. Looks legit. __________________ Rolex GMT Master II BLRO 16710 Omega Speedmaster Co-Axial Chrono

18 July 2017, 04:25 AM	#13
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Welcome As I told you on the other forum, watch is genuine. Best a __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

18 July 2017, 06:58 AM	#15
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	interesting __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

17 July 2017, 01:54 PM	#2
NKflyer "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Richard Location: Colorado Posts: 2,834	You can save the trouble of bringing it to Rolex. It's authentic without a doubt.

17 July 2017, 01:56 PM	#3
subsurface Banned Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: USA Posts: 96	What makes you question the authenticity?

17 July 2017, 02:06 PM	#5
CrazyMD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: BoraBora Posts: 227	You can take it to the New York rsc and ask for a quote for service. They will take the watch back, verify its authenticity, and bring it back out with a quote. All for free. Oh and they make sure it's not stolen. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

17 July 2017, 09:27 PM	#7
mtgjr Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Mike Location: Tampa, Florida Watch: Pepsi GMT Posts: 2,926	No issue with authenticity, but man has that thing been polished a lot. The case edges have little sharpness left, the spring bars are nearly protruding from the lug holes, and the crown is nearly gone from the clasp in places.

17 July 2017, 10:42 PM	#9
cht 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Chris Location: San antonio, TX Watch: 116610LV Posts: 2,137	Since you seem know little to nothing about watches, it's worth $150 to make sure it's authenticated then. We're just looking at internet pictures.

18 July 2017, 06:51 AM	#14
mtgjr Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Mike Location: Tampa, Florida Watch: Pepsi GMT Posts: 2,926	You asked pretty much the same question here a year and a half ago....Feb 2016. Are you sure this is your first Rolex? What watch were you looking to authenticate back then?

19 July 2017, 11:10 AM	#17
Hands90 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Hoboken Posts: 299	UPDATE I have the GMT on my wrist. Small issue. The bezel is unidirectional. This is NOT correct for a GMT. It's 120 click. SO I'm going to go to Rolex tomorrow and ask them about it. Worst case I'll send back to the seller. I'm really happy with the watch. I wouldn't be surprised if the seller was the one who polished it. There is not a single scratch on it. I'd rather they left it as it was but what's done is done.

19 July 2017, 01:12 PM	#18
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Yes, should be bi-directional. But don't force it. __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

19 July 2017, 01:44 PM	#20
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,113	This thread is going sideways. I don't even think it's possible to make a gmt bezel assembly "click". It's a completely different design from the sub and not even worth engineering it into the body of a 16710.

19 July 2017, 01:59 PM	#22
uansari1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Doha, Qatar Watch: Polar 16570 Posts: 535	Edit: Never mind __________________ Explorer II 16570 Polar (3186) GMT Master II 116710LN GMT Master II 126710BLRO (jubilee) Explorer 124270 Omega Seamaster GMT 50th Anniversary

19 July 2017, 03:12 PM	#24
Runnin' Rebel "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Mark Location: 🤔 Posts: 8,424	What do you mean by click ? Sound ? Or actual movement? Mine clicks bidirectional from day one BNIB and makes the click sound -2001 GMT - the reason it maybe only goes one way is cause it has a sub click spring installed instead of GMT click spring or it could be bent wrong. No big deal. I never counted it though but I've heard 120 clicks is correct My AD watchmaker did the sub click spring in mine after a small chsnge in insert color and we had a heated argument about the spring being incorrect. He said GMT and SUB was same click spring. He finally relented and went to his Rolex books and said I was right and fixed it. I never used him again. This was 5/6 years ago __________________ ♛

20 July 2017, 09:45 AM	#25
Hands90 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Hoboken Posts: 299	Update 2 Went to Rolex Service Center in New York. On the phone they were really nice. I told them the issue and they said to come right in. After receiving some dirty looks (wearing a dress shirt but not a suit and had a backpack with the Rolex box inside.). The women that took my watch asked about the service history. I told her I didn't know the service history. She stood there and gave me yet another dirty look. Anyway all the rudeness that's expected from Rolex, aside they said they will take it overnight. If it's a serious repair they will ask me to get a FULL SERVICE and if it's a simple fix they might not charge me. I hope for the latter. We will see.

20 July 2017, 05:09 PM	#26
Runnin' Rebel "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Mark Location: 🤔 Posts: 8,424	Full service expected Tell them not to polish the case __________________ ♛

21 July 2017, 04:42 AM	#27
Hands90 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Hoboken Posts: 299	Final UPDATE Today I went back the RSC and they gave me back my watch %100 working. The bezel is so smooth. It has a really nice action. They didn't mention if they thought it was after market. I will comment that since starting this forum I have found several examples of bezels that the red stops near the 1 in 18, whereas it usually stops near the 8 in 18. Also I have to say that the bezel is very much faded. The red is turning pink. This for some might be a negative but I very much like the look. At the end of the day the price was right for this one. I'm finally a Rolex member. Side note: I paid nothing and they gave me 2 clothes and a Rolex travel pouch. Thanks again guys This can now be closed unless anyone has something to add.

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