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Filo · 7 October 2009, 02:26 AM

Hello,

a quick question from a newbie. This have may be subject of endless discussion but...

I live in the UK. I would like to buy a Submariner SS. I was told that there is a shortage on the market due to the new model coming out, ie one with ceramic bezel. I am not sure I like it that much and it's very hard to find a shop or AD that has both. I was also told an old one trades around £3700.

Any thoughts ? Shall I go with the new one and forget about the old one ? Any advantages of getting the new one ? Where can I get an old one ?

Thank you v much for all your replies.

Regards

F.

Juggernaut · 7 October 2009, 02:41 AM

I personally prefer the older ones because of many reasons:
1) I don't care for the larger, blocky case (except for the larger crown guards: I like those)
2) I don't like the more shiny ceramic bezel
3) I prefer the look of the older oyster fliplock clasp
4) the new one might have polished center links on the bracelet: that's not my style. I like brushed all the way.
5) however, I DO like the Maxi dial that will now be standard.

Browining · 7 October 2009, 02:52 AM

The new ceramic bezel ss sub hasn't been released from rolex yet so you won't find any in the stores. It is expected to be released in 2010 so probably a year from now when they will start showing up at AD's. You can compare the sizes old vs new by looking at the TT subs.

Browning

Speed · 7 October 2009, 03:00 AM

Older - if you can find one which has clearly been cared for.

tkc324 · 7 October 2009, 03:06 AM

Buy an older one. Look around for a good condition Sub with a good price tag. With this economy, it shouldn't be too hard.
I would always look at second hand first, because you are taking less of the depressionation hit up front. Most likely if you keep it in a good condition, you will be able to sell it back for what you paid for, if not MORE then what you paid for.
Once the new sub comes out, you can still opt to sell the old one and buy a new one, if you fancy... hope this makes sense.

Filo · 7 October 2009, 03:11 AM

Thanks everyone for the replies. I will look for the classic 16610 and will keep you posted. I will be able to complete my collection of 1998 Oyster with Gold Bezel and my 2004 SS Daytona White face (yeah I try to buy a wathc every 5 year or so)

The GMT Master · 7 October 2009, 03:15 AM

I don't know who told you that there was a shortage, but I've seen plenty about in windows of ADs. Still relatively easy to get hold of, but not a great scope for discount on the 16610. The new version is probably going to be launched at Baselworld 2010 (around Easter), and the models will probably reach shop windows this time next year. However, I anticipate there will be a high early demand, and it might be as late as 2011 that demand starts to ease. If you like the 16610, go for it, and if you need to find somewhere that stocks it, either I or any of the other British members can point you in the right direction

Cheers,

Chris

padi56 · 7 October 2009, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Filo

Thanks everyone for the replies. I will look for the classic 16610 and will keep you posted. I will be able to complete my collection of 1998 Oyster with Gold Bezel and my 2004 SS Daytona White face (yeah I try to buy a wathc every 5 year or so)

The only difference between any Sub from 1988 to present day 2009 is now a SEL bracelet, non lug hole case,laser etched crystal and some very very minor font details and thats about it.If they do bring out a ceramic sub would doubt if it will find its way to ADs till late 2010 at a very inflated price.

JBat · 7 October 2009, 03:43 AM

I think you can easily find a 16610 without trying too hard; I'd guess any Rolex AD would have them in stock. It's a great watch, no question, as I'm sure the new ceramic-bezeled one will be. It comes down to taste. I've not been able to take my 16610 off since receiving it a few weeks ago.

But I also love my GMTIIc. Go to an AD and compare the 16610 to the GMTIIc. That will at least give you an idea as to what the new Sub will look like compared to the current one.

You can't go wrong either way.

Gerardus · 7 October 2009, 03:50 AM

The old type is great!

presario · 7 October 2009, 06:32 AM

I don't discriminate

Love both the old-school and new-school versions. But one thing's for SURE. You must have a classic sub in your stable. PERIOD. Buy the 16610 now and if you get a chance down the road to pick up a ceramic sub, do it!

mike · 7 October 2009, 07:48 AM

Since you like the maxi dial any thought about the LV? Classic case, maxi, and being from the UK, I understand a black insert is fairly easy to get.

IT-guy · 7 October 2009, 08:37 AM

I prefer the new ceramic Sub and will get it once it's out. For the older model, I strongly prefer Sea-Dweller - the two (Sub and SD) are kind of similar but SD is more substantial and feels a lot more solid. However, the ceramic Sub will make a nice addition to the collection, and it will not be redundant.

bandityo · 7 October 2009, 09:54 AM

are there any pics of this new sub anywhere?

sakuraba · 7 October 2009, 10:12 AM

I think you mean older SS sub vs new TT sub. They haven't launched the SS sub ceramic yet.

I also don't believe there is a shortage of 16610 subs. What I've noticed a shortage of are the 16600 SeaDwellers.

My advice is to take the plunge and get the 16610. When the new SS subs come out, let the inevitable market frenzy subside before trading your old sub for the ceramic.

Luxe Time · 7 October 2009, 10:16 AM

Here are a few questions to ask yourself:

1) Are you on a budget?
2) Do you intend on wearing your Sub daily?

If your answer is "yes" to the above questions, go with a "pre-loved" Sub, you'll save money and most likely feel the same satisfaction you would if you bought new.

Filo · 8 October 2009, 06:47 AM

Thanks everyone again, given there is no much scope for a discount on the current 16610 I will take the plunge, go to and AD and ask for delivery time...

Will post pics...

And hey yes I would wear this everyday!

mustangbrad · 8 October 2009, 06:58 AM

No shortages, go with a newer one if you can.

Filo · 8 October 2009, 07:29 AM

One more thing: any reccomended AD in Central London ?

Thanks

F.

Nicko · 8 October 2009, 07:47 AM

Old all the way, the look just screams ROLEX!

jlake · 8 October 2009, 09:49 AM

Buy the old (current) sub date. Personally I have tried on the GMT2C about 10 different times to date and still can not get use to the PCL's and larger case. And brainwashing isn't working either due the all the improvements Rolex has made on the GMT2C. I don't have any concerns about the ceramic bezel though.

7 October 2009, 02:26 AM	#1
Filo "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: London UK Posts: 4	Sumbariner SS: New or Old ? Hello, a quick question from a newbie. This have may be subject of endless discussion but... I live in the UK. I would like to buy a Submariner SS. I was told that there is a shortage on the market due to the new model coming out, ie one with ceramic bezel. I am not sure I like it that much and it's very hard to find a shop or AD that has both. I was also told an old one trades around £3700. Any thoughts ? Shall I go with the new one and forget about the old one ? Any advantages of getting the new one ? Where can I get an old one ? Thank you v much for all your replies. Regards F.

7 October 2009, 03:50 AM	#10
Gerardus "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Gerardus Location: EU Watch: ♕ Posts: 11,911	The old type is great! __________________ ♕16570 ♕126610 ♕126333

7 October 2009, 06:32 AM	#11
presario "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Andrew Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,428	I don't discriminate Love both the old-school and new-school versions. But one thing's for SURE. You must have a classic sub in your stable. PERIOD. Buy the 16610 now and if you get a chance down the road to pick up a ceramic sub, do it! __________________

7 October 2009, 10:12 AM	#15
sakuraba "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Jib Location: SJ, California Watch: sun dial Posts: 8,189	I think you mean older SS sub vs new TT sub. They haven't launched the SS sub ceramic yet. I also don't believe there is a shortage of 16610 subs. What I've noticed a shortage of are the 16600 SeaDwellers. My advice is to take the plunge and get the 16610. When the new SS subs come out, let the inevitable market frenzy subside before trading your old sub for the ceramic. __________________ F 14000 AirKing black F 16710 GMT Pepsi F 16570 Explorer II white T 16600 SD D 16610 LV "fine quality is remembered long after the pain of spending money" -Steve Mulholland

7 October 2009, 02:41 AM	#2
Juggernaut "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 901	I personally prefer the older ones because of many reasons: 1) I don't care for the larger, blocky case (except for the larger crown guards: I like those) 2) I don't like the more shiny ceramic bezel 3) I prefer the look of the older oyster fliplock clasp 4) the new one might have polished center links on the bracelet: that's not my style. I like brushed all the way. 5) however, I DO like the Maxi dial that will now be standard.

7 October 2009, 02:52 AM	#3
Browining "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 258	The new ceramic bezel ss sub hasn't been released from rolex yet so you won't find any in the stores. It is expected to be released in 2010 so probably a year from now when they will start showing up at AD's. You can compare the sizes old vs new by looking at the TT subs. Browning

7 October 2009, 03:00 AM	#4
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,695	Older - if you can find one which has clearly been cared for.

7 October 2009, 03:06 AM	#5
tkc324 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Tom Location: Chi town Watch: Daytona AP DD Sub Posts: 3,717	Buy an older one. Look around for a good condition Sub with a good price tag. With this economy, it shouldn't be too hard. I would always look at second hand first, because you are taking less of the depressionation hit up front. Most likely if you keep it in a good condition, you will be able to sell it back for what you paid for, if not MORE then what you paid for. Once the new sub comes out, you can still opt to sell the old one and buy a new one, if you fancy... hope this makes sense.

7 October 2009, 03:11 AM	#6
Filo "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: London UK Posts: 4	Thanks everyone for the replies. I will look for the classic 16610 and will keep you posted. I will be able to complete my collection of 1998 Oyster with Gold Bezel and my 2004 SS Daytona White face (yeah I try to buy a wathc every 5 year or so)

7 October 2009, 03:15 AM	#7
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,149	I don't know who told you that there was a shortage, but I've seen plenty about in windows of ADs. Still relatively easy to get hold of, but not a great scope for discount on the 16610. The new version is probably going to be launched at Baselworld 2010 (around Easter), and the models will probably reach shop windows this time next year. However, I anticipate there will be a high early demand, and it might be as late as 2011 that demand starts to ease. If you like the 16610, go for it, and if you need to find somewhere that stocks it, either I or any of the other British members can point you in the right direction Cheers, Chris

7 October 2009, 03:43 AM	#9
JBat "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: John Location: Washington Watch: 16710, 16610, DJ Posts: 7,329	I think you can easily find a 16610 without trying too hard; I'd guess any Rolex AD would have them in stock. It's a great watch, no question, as I'm sure the new ceramic-bezeled one will be. It comes down to taste. I've not been able to take my 16610 off since receiving it a few weeks ago. But I also love my GMTIIc. Go to an AD and compare the 16610 to the GMTIIc. That will at least give you an idea as to what the new Sub will look like compared to the current one. You can't go wrong either way.

7 October 2009, 07:48 AM	#12
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Since you like the maxi dial any thought about the LV? Classic case, maxi, and being from the UK, I understand a black insert is fairly easy to get.

7 October 2009, 08:37 AM	#13
IT-guy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: DC Watch: SD 126600 Posts: 195	I prefer the new ceramic Sub and will get it once it's out. For the older model, I strongly prefer Sea-Dweller - the two (Sub and SD) are kind of similar but SD is more substantial and feels a lot more solid. However, the ceramic Sub will make a nice addition to the collection, and it will not be redundant.

7 October 2009, 09:54 AM	#14
bandityo "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Chattanooga Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 129	are there any pics of this new sub anywhere?

7 October 2009, 10:16 AM	#16
Luxe Time "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Raja Location: Connecticut Posts: 951	Here are a few questions to ask yourself: 1) Are you on a budget? 2) Do you intend on wearing your Sub daily? If your answer is "yes" to the above questions, go with a "pre-loved" Sub, you'll save money and most likely feel the same satisfaction you would if you bought new.

8 October 2009, 06:47 AM	#17
Filo "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: London UK Posts: 4	Thanks everyone again, given there is no much scope for a discount on the current 16610 I will take the plunge, go to and AD and ask for delivery time... Will post pics... And hey yes I would wear this everyday!

8 October 2009, 06:58 AM	#18
mustangbrad Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: brad Location: il Watch: 16613 Posts: 286	No shortages, go with a newer one if you can.

8 October 2009, 07:29 AM	#19
Filo "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: London UK Posts: 4	One more thing: any reccomended AD in Central London ? Thanks F.

8 October 2009, 07:47 AM	#20
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	Old all the way, the look just screams ROLEX!

8 October 2009, 09:49 AM	#21
jlake Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 45	Buy the old (current) sub date. Personally I have tried on the GMT2C about 10 different times to date and still can not get use to the PCL's and larger case. And brainwashing isn't working either due the all the improvements Rolex has made on the GMT2C. I don't have any concerns about the ceramic bezel though.

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