Horology House fake Daytona audio interview with Shohaib the man who bought the watch

[daOnlyBG]

Originally Posted by jjbrothers

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt9...H_WKZIw/videos

Wow. Any (general) updates from Shohaib and/or Rob regarding legal proceedings?

[Oodles of Noodles]

Originally Posted by kev1nchoi

Let's all report his channel.

Yes, how do we do that though?

[Dutch85]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwFede8M4Uw

Comment section is open here though

[imbatman]

The audacity of this guy...

[Ceelo]

Wow, can't believe this guy would reinstate his youtube channel without so much as offering a response.

[Ceelo]

http://www.executivestyle.com.au/wat...ex-scam-h1lq08

Check out this article from a couple of days ago - 'no comment'.

[Oodles of Noodles]

Looks like he's trying to cover his tracks:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B8gKx-gn...d=aibsu9tw6w2u

[kev1nchoi]

Originally Posted by Oodles of Noodles

Yes, how do we do that though?

Go to the "about" section of the channel, click the flag icon, follow the prompts.

[77T]

Murderers have YT channels so I don’t see Google taking down a simple con artist’s channel...

Just my 2¢


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[kev1nchoi]

Originally Posted by 77T

Murderers have YT channels so I don’t see Google taking down a simple con artist’s channel...

Just my 2¢


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If the murderers are using YT to murder people, I'm sure they'd pull it down.

HH is actively using his YT channel to scam people, it should be taken down.

[77T]

Your POV is valid.


I was explaining why Foogle prolly wouldn’t.


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[M-Technic]

Insane that he's already trying to make a come-back.

[VonSlingshot]

Originally Posted by kev1nchoi

Go to the "about" section of the channel, click the flag icon, follow the prompts.

No flag icon visible to me

[freesole]

May not amount to much but I reported his channel as well.

[Onikage]

Anyone know where he lives? We should all crap on his doorstep.

[kev1nchoi]

Originally Posted by Onikage

Anyone know where he lives? We should all crap on his doorstep.

His house is all burnt down I believe.

[Birder]

Originally Posted by VonSlingshot

No flag icon visible to me

You would need to log in using computer. I believe you cant report a channel from phone or youtube phone app - only computer based website.

[daOnlyBG]

Originally Posted by Ceelo

http://www.executivestyle.com.au/wat...ex-scam-h1lq08

Check out this article from a couple of days ago - 'no comment'.

So, with due respect to the editors of Executive Style, that article (and its title) is a bit misleading, especially given its timing.

The title alone implies that Essery is now claiming to be victim to a fraud, beyond what his original Instagram post mentioned (and, you know, failed to convince many). However,

"Executive Style attempted to contact Essery for comment however so far the specialist has chosen not to reply."

So there's really not anything further from him, beside the fact that he's weaseling for a way out. I wouldn't put it past him to concoct some narrative/excuse about how he couldn't tell it was a fake (hey, he did remove those particular videos from his channel, right?) but anyone who's read the entire WhatsApp conversation would be hard-pressed to think he didn't knowingly send those fakes. I think he'll try to pursue that route anyway, but the stink from the internet will be pretty tough to remove.

[Chewbacca]

Honestly, the most enterprising thing he can do is quite literally start an homage or replica watch Forum and be the authority on junk. He can’t go back to legitimate watch matters, but the homage and questionable market is huge, and his expertise seems quite good.

Total Pete Rose move becoming an online gambling spokesperson. He’d make a killing in ad revenue.

[CorradoBrit]

Originally Posted by daOnlyBG

(hey, he did remove those particular videos from his channel, right?)

Some kind soul reposted it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28-aZJJNMkE&t=353s

[Black_5]

Originally Posted by Onikage

Anyone know where he lives? We should all crap on his doorstep.

So you are encouraging another disgusting criminal act in retaliation?

The man has family, who are very likely innocent parties, and would be affected and terrified by this sort of response.

I don't think we want to be encouraging irresponsible vigilante behaviour.

There are legal avenues that are being followed, and we should support those efforts, rather than impede them by shifting the investigation into different directions, and turning him into a victim.

Just my 2c...

Originally Posted by Gunnar_917

^^ tells the truth on Internet forums

So many watches, So little time...

[FXD]

Originally Posted by daOnlyBG

So, with due respect to the editors of Executive Style, that article (and its title) is a bit misleading, especially given its timing.

Haha, the same Executive Style that deleted their article which had Chris Essery as a subject matter expert on watches? That Executive Style? Their credibility is worthless.

Missing article: http://www.executivestyle.com.au/fiv...e-watch-h1e9d4

The Wayback Machine captures all: http://web.archive.org/web/201905100...e-watch-h1e9d4

Chris Essery, founder and brain behind watch forum Horology House says buyers best educate themselves if they're to get a sale they're going to be happy with and offers five guidelines to buy by.

1. Do your homework

"There is no substitute for hard research," says Essery, who advises prospective buyers to arm themselves with information on the model or brand they're considering.

"See what similar models and styles are going for by checking groups and forums." Watchuseek, Rolex Forums, Chrono24 and WatchRecon are good resources to get you started. But treat these as guides not gospel.

2. Stick to specifics

"Don't pretend to know," says Essery.

"The world of watches is complex and one way to help mitigate any misstep is to narrow what you're looking for or at."

Understand the variables of vintage watches such as casings, finishes and aftermarket parts. Recognise that some watches are cut and shut jobs. Much like cars, some watches are put back together using many different watches of the same or similar models. Modern watches, especially popular models like IWC, Rolex and Omega are prone to rip offs and fakes. Some are very hard to tell apart even for those who know what to look for.

"Know the signs and get up to date photos." He adds.

3. Become a detective

Mitigate some of the risk by buying from reputable stores and sellers.

"Ask around, drop questions into groups," Essery suggests.

"Perform a Google search, check phone numbers and websites, analyse reviews."

Stores are far less likely to offer dud watches but you can't guarantee someone isn't trying to pull a sly one. Understand that there is no guarantee and considering yourself your own best judge of character.

4. Negotiate like a gentleman

Negotiating prices is a tricky business. As with any sale, understanding what is above and below market value will do much to steer any conversation between buyer and seller.

Be respectful, avoid tyre kicking and be concise and prompt with your back and forth online. "Keep your head clear when you buy. Don't let emotion override you and prevent you looking at the product carefully."

5. Be smart with money and postage

Different sellers prefer different payment methods. Stores will accept cards of course but online sellers often prefer PayPal or bank transfer. Note, neither offer guarantees in case of a dispute.

"Make sure you feel comfortable," Essery impresses.

"If you don't, back out quickly and respectfully."

If you're trading in cash, do it in public and on mutual ground. Ensure you have any delivery tracked and signed for. Agree on insurance with the seller ahead of time and don't forget to account for GST or import fees.

Buying second-hand can be a great way to nab a bargain on hard to find models but when you're not buying direct from the brand you must realise that you are not afforded all the security you may be used to. But, by understanding what you are buying, where and from whom, you can better your chances of a solid gold Rolex kind of sale.

[Onikage]

Originally Posted by Black_5

So you are encouraging another disgusting criminal act in retaliation?

The man has family, who are very likely innocent parties, and would be affected and terrified by this sort of response.

I don't think we want to be encouraging irresponsible vigilante behaviour.

There are legal avenues that are being followed, and we should support those efforts, rather than impede them by shifting the investigation into different directions, and turning him into a victim.

Just my 2c...

So many watches, So little time...

Ok. Any TRFers taking that seriously and/or considering doing it please don't. We must always remember to behave ourselves.

[erhein]

Or a scammer.

[Sulla]

Thank you for posting this excellent interview!

The original HH thread - should be sticky'd and read by all. Great lesson in what to look out for in a scam. Should be PDF'd or printed and sold to raise a dollar for TRF. Excellent read!

Just shows that CAVEAT EMPTOR
still reigns supreme!

[ganiccus]

Reported his youtube channel as well with a link to the original HH thread.

[vcabs68]

Great episode, shame how this all turned out. I enjoyed his YT channel but now I cant find it in me to support it anymore after this weeks stories popping up

[SydR]

It this the same Chris Essery’s Flickr account or is there a second Chris Essery also into watches?


https://www.flickr.com/photos/138821198@N05/

[APforlife]

Originally Posted by SydR

It this the same Chris Essery’s Flickr account or is there a second Chris Essery also into watches?


https://www.flickr.com/photos/138821198@N05/

Probably is him!