Lange Sales/Distribution Change – Pre-Sale Pieces and Application Pieces

[fullofboats]

Originally Posted by edhahn44

Well, and this even excludes 25% buyer's premium if I'm not mistaken.
Seems also like the secondary market is completely dried out or asking crazy prices for Datos, Chronos and hot Lange 1s (a 101.001 is offered for € 80k for example).

Still not sure if all those pieces landed at serious collectors or if it's just a game of the larger greys to pumping up prices....

The $47.5k includes the hammer premium. High bid was $38k
A 101.049 sold for $40k last week with Sotheby's. A 101.025 sold in Feb. for $22k. A Darth, no papers/box sold for only $20k last summer. Lange 1s are going through the roof at auction and at greys, but still below retail price.
Watchfinder has a LE Lange 1 asking for ~$60k. EWC has a 101.025 and MOP Lange 1 both asking for $40k

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by fullofboats

The $47.5k includes the hammer premium. High bid was $38k
A 101.049 sold for $40k last week with Sotheby's. A 101.025 sold in Feb. for $22k. A Darth, no papers/box sold for only $20k last summer. Lange 1s are going through the roof at auction and at greys, but still below retail price.
Watchfinder has a LE Lange 1 asking for ~$60k. EWC has a 101.025 and MOP Lange 1 both asking for $40k

Just to correct, the current prices are higher than the original retail was on the pieces in question. I assume you are comparing to the new latest models with different movements etc?

[fullofboats]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Just to correct, these prices are much higher than the original retail was on the pieces in question. I assume you are comparing to the new latest models with different movements etc?

Yeah, I was comparing the auction prices to current retail. I know it's gen 1. vs gen 2 but I imagine people are justifying the auction price they're paying because it's still cheaper than going to a boutique.

I can imagine paying USD$47.5k for a discontinued Darth to be palatable compared to the 191.025 retail of EUR46k. Still, +100% price increase in 9 months is...

[Toffeeman]

Anyone has done a bundle for 1815 Chrono and SS Odysseus?

[anselm]

Originally Posted by Toffeeman

Anyone has done a bundle for 1815 Chrono and SS Odysseus?

Not sure in your country, but the 1815 chrono is backordered in most places and so is the Odysseus so not sure any boutique or AD will be able to do that...

[Cyberceo]

The 1815 chrono is available in the dubai mall boutique. They did say that one could place the name in for a Odysseus along with the purchase of the 1815 chrono. The Odysseus may take upto 2 years to be delivered.

However as a side note, the in store treatment in the ALS boutique in Dubai Mall is second to none and makes such a big impact.

[uniqueMR]

Good info. Thanks.
Need to add ALS to the collection..

[Toffeeman]

Originally Posted by Cyberceo

The 1815 chrono is available in the dubai mall boutique. They did say that one could place the name in for a Odysseus along with the purchase of the 1815 chrono. The Odysseus may take upto 2 years to be delivered.

However as a side note, the in store treatment in the ALS boutique in Dubai Mall is second to none and makes such a big impact.

Thanx. I got my 1815 chrono and they will apply for the Odysseus but no guarantee.


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[chiscott_29]

Originally Posted by Toffeeman

Thanx. I got my 1815 chrono and they will apply for the Odysseus but no guarantee.


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I was told SS Odysseus allocations are running 18 to 24+ months out, but that your AD should know immediately if ALS has "approved" the allocation and thus be able to give you a relatively firm commitment on possible allocation/delivery.

Again, I'm just sharing what I heard from a trusted source...With everything in the watch world YMMV.

It will be interesting to see if there is an addition to the Odysseus line-up this year...I've heard people speculate there may be a Chrono on the way. And if ALS wants to keep up, they better have the green dial Odysseus ready

[uniqueMR]

Originally Posted by chiscott_29

I was told SS Odysseus allocations are running 18 to 24+ months out, but that your AD should know immediately if ALS has "approved" the allocation and thus be able to give you a relatively firm commitment on possible allocation/delivery.

Again, I'm just sharing what I heard from a trusted source...With everything in the watch world YMMV.

It will be interesting to see if there is an addition to the Odysseus line-up this year...I've heard people speculate there may be a Chrono on the way. And if ALS wants to keep up, they better have the green dial Odysseus ready

We need green dial Odysseus. I see GREEN
And I strongly believe Lange should increase their offerings under Odysseus.

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by uniqueMR

We need green dial Odysseus. I see GREEN
And I strongly believe Lange should increase their offerings under Odysseus.

I thought that was the initial plan. Introduce the SS day-date first and then eventually introduce more complicated pieces. I think they should introduce some type of GMT/travel time function in SS.

[sgwatchguy]

So I got told that I would not be put on the list for an Odysseus if I purchased the 414.026 (1815 chrono boutique edition). But I would be waitlisted for if I got any of the other regular chronos.

Anyone else know if this is policy? I'm dealing with the boutique btw. Not feeling too happy considering I pay the same but get treated differently for buying what is a boutique only model.

[vinniebabarooch]

Originally Posted by sgwatchguy

So I got told that I would not be put on the list for an Odysseus if I purchased the 414.026 (1815 chrono boutique edition). But I would be waitlisted for if I got any of the other regular chronos.

Anyone else know if this is policy? I'm dealing with the boutique btw. Not feeling too happy considering I pay the same but get treated differently for buying what is a boutique only model.

Yes, my understanding is that limited and boutique editions do not count towards spending history towards the Odysseus. Just regular edition watches that you buy.

[moting]

Originally Posted by sgwatchguy

So I got told that I would not be put on the list for an Odysseus if I purchased the 414.026 (1815 chrono boutique edition). But I would be waitlisted for if I got any of the other regular chronos.

Anyone else know if this is policy? I'm dealing with the boutique btw. Not feeling too happy considering I pay the same but get treated differently for buying what is a boutique only model.

Thanks for sharing the info and I assume no discount possible at the boutique?

[fullofboats]

Originally Posted by moting

Thanks for sharing the info and I assume no discount possible at the boutique?

Correct. Zero discount at boutiques. Boutique edition 1815 chrono does not count towards steel Odysseus. Wait time is +2 years now

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by sgwatchguy

So I got told that I would not be put on the list for an Odysseus if I purchased the 414.026 (1815 chrono boutique edition). But I would be waitlisted for if I got any of the other regular chronos.

Anyone else know if this is policy? I'm dealing with the boutique btw. Not feeling too happy considering I pay the same but get treated differently for buying what is a boutique only model.

Doesn’t sound correct to me, my experience has been any piece counts towards the Odysseus, even pieces purchased from an AD. However demand has grown exponentially since I got mine so perhaps policy has changed. Over demand and limited supply always mean a compromise.

[WatchEater666]

I was told I probably won’t get mine until 2022 sometime. Originally was supposed to be this year.

[ap1]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

I was told I probably won’t get mine until 2022 sometime. Originally was supposed to be this year.

+1

[sgwatchguy]

Originally Posted by vinniebabarooch

Yes, my understanding is that limited and boutique editions do not count towards spending history towards the Odysseus. Just regular edition watches that you buy.

Thanks man.

Stinks. I love the watch but this is bs.

[sgwatchguy]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Doesn’t sound correct to me, my experience has been any piece counts towards the Odysseus, even pieces purchased from an AD. However demand has grown exponentially since I got mine so perhaps policy has changed. Over demand and limited supply always mean a compromise.

Thanks Russell. Yes appears the policy has changed for the worse.

[sgwatchguy]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

I was told I probably won’t get mine until 2022 sometime. Originally was supposed to be this year.

I was told wait time “minimum” is 2 years. So could be longer.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

I was told I probably won’t get mine until 2022 sometime. Originally was supposed to be this year.

Originally Posted by sgwatchguy

I was told wait time “minimum” is 2 years. So could be longer.

Fingers crossed guys for a faster delivery, I see Lange has also now made the bracelet not removable. I love the bracelet but have also enjoyed swopping out for a custom rubber strap.

[WatchEater666]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Fingers crossed guys for a faster delivery, I see Lange has also now made the bracelet not removable. I love the bracelet but have also enjoyed swopping out for a custom rubber strap.

Wait what

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

Wait what

Photo from Lange web site.


Photo of current bracelet fitment.



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[mongrelnomoad]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Doesn’t sound correct to me, my experience has been any piece counts towards the Odysseus, even pieces purchased from an AD. However demand has grown exponentially since I got mine so perhaps policy has changed. Over demand and limited supply always mean a compromise.

Nope. Even at launch this wasn’t the case.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by mongrelnomoad

Nope. Even at launch this wasn’t the case.

Not sure why you say that, numerous posters here and on WatchProsite have commented to similar effect and I have personal experience. Now I know demand has increased exponentially since I ordered mine on launch day in October 2019 and production hasn’t increased so something has to give - this inevitably leads to upset customers as I know you know only too well. There is no magic bullet to solve the current insane watch market other than to share the love to some of the equally worthy small producers as you have done - but they also quickly get swamped.

[mongrelnomoad]

Russell, I should have edited better. I was specifically referring to the first part of your post - “Doesn’t sound correct to me, my experience has been any piece counts towards the Odysseus, even pieces purchased from an AD.” Even at the start, these did not count - or did, but only not in a clear, transparent and straightforward way. As I've said before, a Lange 1 Moonphase in platinum bought from an AD before the announcement of the Odysseus, did not count at launch.

[uniqueMR]

Update: Lange has removed prices from their web site.
Interesting :)

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by mongrelnomoad

Russell, I should have edited better. I was specifically referring to the first part of your post - “Doesn’t sound correct to me, my experience has been any piece counts towards the Odysseus, even pieces purchased from an AD.” Even at the start, these did not count - or did, but only not in a clear, transparent and straightforward way. As I've said before, a Lange 1 Moonphase in platinum bought from an AD before the announcement of the Odysseus, did not count at launch.

I understand. It is an impossible position and you were let down.

[Toffeeman]

Originally Posted by uniqueMR

Update: Lange has removed prices from their web site.
Interesting :)

Wonder why? Or they are just updating something.


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