Need assistance Identifying a Vintage 14k Gold Tudor

[A.K.]

As the title says trying to figure out what model this is....Dual branded dial with Tudor Rolex, no case stampings between the lugs (serial or ref) and is powered by a eta 2483.

All comments and insight would be most useful.

[offrdmania]

To me it looks like a cobbled together watch with real and fake parts. The word Rolex has never appeared on a Tudor dial from the factory. The dial is either fake or its a repaint. The movement looks like a real 2483 but its generic and not from Tudor. Either that or it is a Tudor movement and someone had to replace the rotor with a generic, off the shelf rotor. That case may or may not be a real Tudor case but im going to say fake based off of the rest of the watch. I bet if you tested the case it will not be solid gold.

[Vlad]

"The word Rolex has never appeared on a Tudor dial from the factory." - this has been debated for a long time and I'm still not convinced that this is the case. Here's an example of a dial from 1930s.

[offrdmania]

Originally Posted by Vlad

"The word Rolex has never appeared on a Tudor dial from the factory." - this has been debated for a long time and I'm still not convinced that this is the case. Here's an example of a dial from 1930s.

Ok sorry. The word Rolex has never appeared on a Tudor dial from the factory 99.999% of the time haha

The watch you posted is from the first year that Hans Wilsdorf acquired Tudor in 1932 and the only year that a few rare watches had both names during the transition

[Vlad]

:)

[Richard Carver]

Originally Posted by Vlad

:)

Good to see you. :)

[Vlad]

Originally Posted by Richard Carver

Good to see you. :)

Good to be here. Thanks.

[A.K.]

Thanks for some input. It has been debated to death....but the dual branding has been done it's a straight up fact, confirmed by Tudor and Canadian Market brochures.

That said I agree that the dual branding on this watch is not original.

What I am trying to figure out, more precisely, is a potential ref number that resembles this watch, if it exists or not, in order to 100% identify as a counterfeit or just a re-dialed & serviced piece.



New Observations:

• Case tested, 100% 14K solid gold

• The watch had a lots of engravings on the case back that have faded away over the years....the only legible part is the year 1970.

• It's a snap back case, did Tudor ever do this?
• Did Tudor ever stamp a case back in this fashion, I have yet to find 1 example?
• Lug ends do not have a visible hole to easily remove the bracelet pins.

• When was the 2483 1st introduced?

• Movement is devoid of the ETA stamp, which was, as I have read, a request from Rolex at the time.

• Unsigned rotor and crown coupled with several case polishing are very possible due to several service engravings on the case back.