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Old 1 October 2019, 02:16 AM   #1
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14060 Sense Check

I have been looking for a minty 14060 tritium full set for a while. Seriously considering this one (despite fact I don't know the dealer). Would be extremely grateful to get comments on the authenticity, condition and completeness of the pictured 14060. And if anyone happens to have come across Westside Watches before that's a major plus!

Described by seller as: Perfect tritium dial with tritium hands and matching tritium inlay (all 100% original). Perfect 93150 band with diving clasp (Code DT). The delivery takes place in a Rolex box with Umkartion incl. Submariner booklet, translation, Rolex seal, pencil case and warranty certificate WITHOUT DATE / NAME ENTRY. W series from 1995.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 1 October 2019, 04:23 AM   #2
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14060 is one of the few that has never been properly faked. You are good, looks mint and unpolished!
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Old 1 October 2019, 04:24 AM   #3
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14060 is one of the few that has never been properly faked.
Sadly, this comment couldn't be more incorrect.
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Old 1 October 2019, 05:37 AM   #4
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Maybe it's the resolution on the first 2 pics, but the printing on the insert looks rough.
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Old 1 October 2019, 05:37 AM   #5
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Sadly, this comment couldn't be more incorrect.
He’s right actually. The 14060 fakes are terrible.

It has however been polished/refinished.
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Old 1 October 2019, 05:40 AM   #6
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He’s right actually. The 14060 fakes are terrible.
If you want to not check into any 14060 because you think all the fakes are terrible, it's your money.
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Old 1 October 2019, 09:20 AM   #7
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It may just be the photos, but it appears that there are two different watches, based on the looks of the dial alone.

I also just noticed that the bezel inserts are different.

Definitely, two different watches.

I'd pass on this one.
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Old 1 October 2019, 07:32 PM   #8
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Thanks all! Going to give it a pass - not least because I sent the seller a few questions and got the following response:

"We kindly ask you not to send any more e-mails in this regard. We appreciate your understanding."




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I also just noticed that the bezel inserts are different.
Can you help me see the difference(s) - keep looking but my untrained eye cannot spot. Thanks!
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Old 1 October 2019, 08:12 PM   #9
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Same model and year as mine, Box is the same.

I don't think it should come with a red hang tag as its not a certified chronograph.Mine just has green hangtag.

Anyways looks like your making the right call. Awesome response from the seller.

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Old 1 October 2019, 08:45 PM   #10
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It may just be the photos, but it appears that there are two different watches, based on the looks of the dial alone.

I also just noticed that the bezel inserts are different.

Definitely, two different watches.

I'd pass on this one.
I thought the same thing about the insert. But I went to the sellers website and used their zoom feature, is mo mo better. You can match up the scratches in all the pics.

But I would hard pass on the sellers just because they were grade A assholes in their response to the OP.
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Old 1 October 2019, 10:07 PM   #11
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I thought the same thing about the insert. But I went to the sellers website and used their zoom feature, is mo mo better. You can match up the scratches in all the pics.

But I would hard pass on the sellers just because they were grade A assholes in their response to the OP.
Thanks. I had to scale the photos down from 1500x2000 in order to upload them to TRF so that may well be the issue re the pics.

But in any event, the response I got from the seller has left such a bad taste in the mouth that I am 100% going to pass on this one even if it the watch fully checks out - just can't do it...
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Old 2 October 2019, 12:09 AM   #12
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He’s right actually. The 14060 fakes are terrible.

It has however been polished/refinished.
Its true "older" model fakes tend to be a few generations past.
Counterfeiters are currently concentrating on the over-priced SS current models.
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Old 2 October 2019, 03:32 AM   #13
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Can you help me see the difference(s) - keep looking but my untrained eye cannot spot. Thanks!
It takes no special observational skills to see the difference between the watches in the pictures.

The possibility that the the issue is bad photography remains, but if a seller posts shoddy pictures of a watch and then refuses to answer questions about the watch, then certainly the best course is to pass.
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One of the bezel inserts in the first picture shows what appears to be stippling, like you get when you spray paint something.

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Thanks all! Going to give it a pass - not least because I sent the seller a few questions and got the following response:

"We kindly ask you not to send any more e-mails in this regard. We appreciate your understanding."






Can you help me see the difference(s) - keep looking but my untrained eye cannot spot. Thanks!
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Old 2 October 2019, 04:40 AM   #15
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Can you help me see the difference(s) - keep looking but my untrained eye cannot spot. Thanks!
It's a put-together package.

The 14060 did not have wide chamfers as depicted on this watch, they are likely re-cut; 14060's are not COSC watches and did not come with the red hang-seal.

A completely open warranty card is a red flag as they are commonly counterfeit, it should have a Dealer stamp at a minimum.

A W serial would be around 1995, but a DT clasp code is around 2002, so, this too is not original to the watch.
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Old 2 October 2019, 11:45 AM   #16
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i dont think its fake
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Old 3 October 2019, 08:11 AM   #17
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The watch looks good but that foreign paperwork scares me.
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The watch looks good but that foreign paperwork scares me.
See TOOLS above
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Old 3 October 2019, 07:46 PM   #19
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It's a put-together package.

The 14060 did not have wide chamfers as depicted on this watch, they are likely re-cut; 14060's are not COSC watches and did not come with the red hang-seal.

A completely open warranty card is a red flag as they are commonly counterfeit, it should have a Dealer stamp at a minimum.

A W serial would be around 1995, but a DT clasp code is around 2002, so, this too is not original to the watch.
Super helpful many thanks!

Regarding the date mismatch between W serial and DT clasp code: is there a resource anywhere from which this info can be obtained or is it something folks piece together themselves over time?

On chamfers, should I be looking for / expect something more along the lines of the below (note this watch is not for sale just digging for an accurate example)?

And P.S. as a practical matter is a post like this best-placed here or in the "Rolex General Discussion" forum?
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Super helpful many thanks!

Regarding the date mismatch between W serial and DT clasp code: is there a resource anywhere from which this info can be obtained or is it something folks piece together themselves over time?

On chamfers, should I be looking for / expect something more along the lines of the below (note this watch is not for sale just digging for an accurate example)?

And P.S. as a practical matter is a post like this best-placed here or in the "Rolex General Discussion" forum?
This Board is where you can have a cursory look by the experienced members; that's what it's for.

There is nothing wrong with the watch you have shown in your original post; you should simply know what you are getting and the price should be set accordingly.

Your pictures are not all of the same watch, so make sure you know what you are actually purchasing.
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