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Old 4 July 2020, 10:07 PM   #151
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Agreed. I personally love both the Aquanaut and Nautili, and all this talk of “entry level Patek” is just silly.
You agree but wasn’t Russell996’s point that ”more than sum of its parts” means visibly unfinished sides on watch hands under powerful magnification isn’t that big of a deal if the watch still feels special on the wrist? Whether said sides are unfinished because they are ”entry level” or otherwise (exit level?) is less important. At least that’s how I understood his post. Apologies if that was not the case.
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Old 5 July 2020, 04:18 AM   #152
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Wow

That is stunning. Beautiful level of detail.

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What a load of horse manure ....excusing this just because it is an ‘entry level PP’ . Grand Seiko anyone

For a LOT less


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Old 5 July 2020, 04:27 AM   #153
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Well said.

I love PP and look forward to the day I can afford one, but attention to detail is everything in high end watches. Hopefully all top notch watchmakers can continue to perfect their craft as we get deeper into the smart watch future. Perfection, punctuated by slight human flaws (e.g. keeping precise time over a year), is exactly why we are still in the automatic watch world.

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Ha, AD asks me all the time to buy a Twenty-Four for my mother, mother-in-law, wife and daughter but they don't call the shots. I know that Patek ADs fashion themselves as stuck in time (pun intended), but this is the internet, which is basically forever. Shall I say rather more appropriately in this forum that the internet is perpetual?
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Old 5 July 2020, 04:30 PM   #154
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Although I have a pretty entry level Patek, the level of finishing is quite satisfactory to me.

I don't have any macro shots but WatchFinder did a recent video showing my 6000R up close

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKXcvOSxL4o
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Old 5 July 2020, 05:18 PM   #155
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Wow

That is stunning. Beautiful level of detail.
Yes, but things look a bit different movement side, still not bad, but not up to snuff with the grand Swiss or ALS
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Old 5 July 2020, 05:37 PM   #156
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Very few things are up to snuff compared to ALS.
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Old 5 July 2020, 07:29 PM   #157
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Yes, but things look a bit different movement side, still not bad, but not up to snuff with the grand Swiss or ALS
To be fair, though, it was never meant to be...
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Old 5 July 2020, 07:33 PM   #158
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I hereby graciously offer the thread starter to get rid of his abomination of a 5164A for him, free of charge, even.
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Old 5 July 2020, 08:43 PM   #159
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I hereby graciously offer the thread starter to get rid of his abomination of a 5164A for him, free of charge, even.

Haha, we can even generously offer him retail price for it!
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Old 5 July 2020, 10:19 PM   #160
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I think he'd be happy just to see the thread disappear!

In all honestly, if this watch somehow had tanked in the aftermarket and was trading for half of MSRP instead of 2x MSRP, I imagine buyers might be a little less charitable. Knowing one can always flip something for a giant profit due to a long line of eager buyers makes up for a lot of sins. It's hard to imagine in the current environment, but if one could be transported to a world where few lusted after this watch due to the unPP-like finishing, this thread might be completely different.
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Old 5 July 2020, 10:25 PM   #161
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I think he'd be happy just to see the thread disappear!

In all honestly, if this watch somehow had tanked in the aftermarket and was trading for half of MSRP instead of 2x MSRP, I imagine buyers might be a little less charitable. Knowing one can always flip something for a giant profit due to a long line of eager buyers makes up for a lot of sins. It's hard to imagine in the current environment, but if one could be transported to a world where few lusted after this watch due to the unPP-like finishing, this thread might be completely different.
There’s another thread on the first page dealing with more or less the same issue but in a model that’s not red hot (5170R). The tone is a little different to be sure although I’d also expect more from the finishing on a $80K chronograph compared to a ’naut.
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Old 6 July 2020, 12:41 AM   #162
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There’s another thread on the first page dealing with more or less the same issue but in a model that’s not red hot (5170R). The tone is a little different to be sure although I’d also expect more from the finishing on a $80K chronograph compared to a ’naut.
It’s not the same issue.
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Old 6 July 2020, 02:00 AM   #163
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It’s not the same issue.
Same as in a cosmetic issue?
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Old 6 July 2020, 06:45 AM   #164
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To be fair, though, it was never meant to be...
Absolutely, but as dial quality is sometimes comparable, it was worth mentioning that if you wat the entire watch to measure up, you’ll end up in the same pricerange with a Credor
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Old 6 July 2020, 10:04 AM   #165
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Absolutely, but as dial quality is sometimes comparable, it was worth mentioning that if you wat the entire watch to measure up, you’ll end up in the same pricerange with a Credor

Yup. Some GS stans make it seem like “finishing” == polish of the hands.


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Old 6 July 2020, 10:39 AM   #166
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Cash out and go Lange my friend
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Old 6 July 2020, 05:15 PM   #167
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Cash out and go Lange my friend
...and drop 40% of the value when you walk out of the store.
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Old 6 July 2020, 05:56 PM   #168
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...and drop 40% of the value when you walk out of the store.
As if the 5170 doesn’t.
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Yup. Some GS stans make it seem like “finishing” == polish of the hands.


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In every cult, people are gonna be cultish... AP fans are gonna tell you that a well finished case excuses an obsolete and objectively too small movement with sub par finish, GS folks are going to tell you that any amount of sharp inner angles won’t make up for Zaratsu hands and I will keep purchasing watches from some East German mountain village despite being born and raised Swiss... go figure...

I‘m kidding of course on the last point, I like many Vacherons and Pateks just as much as the engraved balance cocks of our northern neighbors.
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Old 6 July 2020, 07:16 PM   #170
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I will keep purchasing watches from some East German mountain village despite being born and raised Swiss... go figure...

I‘m kidding of course on the last point, I like many Vacherons and Pateks just as much as the engraved balance cocks of our northern neighbors.
Plausible excuse:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Switzerland
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Old 7 July 2020, 02:35 AM   #171
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...and drop 40% of the value when you walk out of the store.

Already doubled your money on the 5164, he can go secondary with Lange and lose little to none or can buy lumen or Odysseus and make money. Of course, if making money is your / his objective


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Old 7 July 2020, 02:52 AM   #172
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...and drop 40% of the value when you walk out of the store.
This ignores the unwritten rule at the AD: they don't hand you the steel until you've taken a few baths in precious metals pool.

If you want the steel, look down at what's sitting in the case, and start pointing and charging. Good pieces go to good customers and good customers are profitable.
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Old 8 July 2020, 12:39 PM   #174
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This is the level of finish for all of Patek’s watches that don’t come out of the high complications or rare handcrafts departments. If you want beautiful macro go Lange. Or Grand Seiko.

This is the most ridiculous comment i have ever read to justify poor quality. Patek entry level watches are 30k presumably because of the quality and not just name.

Sounds like patek is milking the fans for its name if above is actually true.


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Old 8 July 2020, 01:06 PM   #175
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This ignores the unwritten rule at the AD: they don't hand you the steel until you've taken a few baths in precious metals pool.

If you want the steel, look down at what's sitting in the case, and start pointing and charging. Good pieces go to good customers and good customers are profitable.

This is when I do this

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Old 8 July 2020, 03:42 PM   #176
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This is the most ridiculous comment i have ever read to justify poor quality. Patek entry level watches are 30k presumably because of the quality and not just name.

Sounds like patek is milking the fans for its name if above is actually true.


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No and Yes. Nothing ridiculous with pointing out what is patently true. Don’t like the cost/quality ratio? Don’t buy Patek. I’m sure they’re devastated. And once more for those unable to read properly: I have justified nothing. I’m just pointing out facts. You’re free to presume whatever you want, though.

The guy in the other thread with the smudged hands and microscratches on a supposedly new 5170 got a full refund. Anyone in their right minds think that the TS here would get a refund for having visibly unfinished hands under 20x magnification? Or that said oversight is actually unintended? Not a chance, imo.
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