New model AP ROC 41 mm gold

[Xerxes77]

Hello guys,

Yesterday I have a discussion with my AD about allocation.
Seems that will be 3 models of ROC rose gold with new reference number who will have new chronograph in house movement from CODE. On the steel ROC the reference remain the same.
Also will be a new ROO 43 mm including a Diver with this new movement.
We will see but this is the news from AP this year.

[AG_Watches]

I spoke with my AD before purchasing my ROC steel panda and he states they have slown the in house movement transition due to potential reliability problems on the code chrono movement. He said he has had several code chronos go back for service in first few months. So maybe they now have that figured out as it was 6 months or so ago

[phow]

Ha... I remember stating about 6 months ago on here how I was waiting for the in-house movement from the CODE to make it’s way to the ROC before pulling the trigger on one. I was told it was NEVER going to happen because of size, cost, blah blah...

Really glad to hear progress seems to have been made on this. Once there is a SS ROC available with their in-house movement, I’ll be contacting my AD promptly.

[NYG1121]

Really curious to see what happens to the ROC with F. Piguet movements going forward. Will we see a zenith daytona effect?

[Xerxes77]

Originally Posted by NYG1121

Really curious to see what happens to the ROC with F. Piguet movements going forward. Will we see a zenith daytona effect?

That’s a good point....because all ROC I have with 2385 movement don’t have any problems..... the new in house movement don’t pass the “test of time” ......and also I heard about code chrono problems.....

[levvity]

ROO 43 is interesting. Do you think this will replace the 42 or 44 or is it a new line entirely?

[Mbbgysam]

Originally Posted by AG_Watches

I spoke with my AD before purchasing my ROC steel panda and he states they have slown the in house movement transition due to potential reliability problems on the code chrono movement. He said he has had several code chronos go back for service in first few months. So maybe they now have that figured out as it was 6 months or so ago

Any more details on this? I haven't had any issues with mine, but I'm curious what I should keep an eye out for.

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by phow

Ha... I remember stating about 6 months ago on here how I was waiting for the in-house movement from the CODE to make it’s way to the ROC before pulling the trigger on one. I was told it was NEVER going to happen because of size, cost, blah blah...

Really glad to hear progress seems to have been made on this. Once there is a SS ROC available with their in-house movement, I’ll be contacting my AD promptly.

If AP does come out with an in-house ROC, I'll be eating my words. I never thought they would so soon after the Code release. I figured they would wait at least 5 years to make sure all issues are ironed out and they thinned out the movement.

[macrowatch]

Will be super curious on case thickness when all said and done. Reliability issues aside, would be super exciting to finally have display case back on the ROC line. I hate how sweat gets stuck under the words on the case back today. TMI I know, lol.

[SMD]

Originally Posted by phow

Ha... I remember stating about 6 months ago on here how I was waiting for the in-house movement from the CODE to make it’s way to the ROC before pulling the trigger on one. I was told it was NEVER going to happen because of size, cost, blah blah...

Really glad to hear progress seems to have been made on this. Once there is a SS ROC available with their in-house movement, I’ll be contacting my AD promptly.

Sorry, has there been any confirmation beyond "I heard from my AD?" May want to wait for an actual release before pulling out the "I told you so"

[AG_Watches]

Originally Posted by Mbbgysam

Any more details on this? I haven't had any issues with mine, but I'm curious what I should keep an eye out for.

Unfortunately, no. It was a rather vague conversation as I had originally been on the 15500ST silver waitlist for 12+ months and he came to me to offer the 26331ST and the non in house movement and no exhibition case back were my two biggest detractors I had to mentally overcome before I pulled the trigger. Part of the conversation we had around the F. Piguet movement was how time tested it is in the industry compared to the code chrono which he had reports of varying issues since launch which he didnt expect to be cleared up in the near future but did say he heard plans for that code movement to make its way to the “26331” or whatever reference it ends up being once reliability had been proven.

[phow]

Originally Posted by SMD

Sorry, has there been any confirmation beyond "I heard from my AD?" May want to wait for an actual release before pulling out the "I told you so"

Did I say that? I’m simply pointing out how adamant this board was that this wouldn’t happen when this was brought up before.

Obviously nothing is confirmed but I would say this is a good sign it is coming as stated.

[fullofboats]

This rumor gets reposted every 6 months in this forum. I don't think consensus was that it would never happen, just that it gets tiring hearing the same "my AD says..." story over and over again.

Truth is no one outside AP HQ knows when or if and certainly not someone working at an AD.

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by fullofboats

This rumor gets reposted every 6 months in this forum. I don't think consensus was that it would never happen, just that it gets tiring hearing the same "my AD says..." story over and over again.

Truth is no one outside AP HQ knows when or if and certainly not someone working at an AD.

The boutiques certainly knew about the recent price increase well in advance. One of the same boutique managers told me that ROOs with a new form factor are coming this year (I didn't inquire about the movement). The mantra that boutiques are as clueless about AP's plans as the general public is misleading, at least as regards near-term changes.

[fullofboats]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

The boutiques certainly knew about the recent price increase well in advance. One of the same boutique managers told me that ROOs with a new form factor are coming this year (I didn't inquire about the movement). The mantra that boutiques are as clueless about AP's plans as the general public is misleading, at least as regards near-term changes.

Boutique and AD are different. Also, if one AD/boutique SA knows about a discontinuation, then anyone of us can check with our SA and confirm. The fact no one has makes me think this is just more of the same.

[AK797]

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[AK797]

The thickness will be key to the new models with Code movements.

A 43mm ROO sounds interesting and makes sense, depends on how much DNA it has from the 42 or 44 models.

[Mbbgysam]

Originally Posted by AG_Watches

Unfortunately, no. It was a rather vague conversation as I had originally been on the 15500ST silver waitlist for 12+ months and he came to me to offer the 26331ST and the non in house movement and no exhibition case back were my two biggest detractors I had to mentally overcome before I pulled the trigger. Part of the conversation we had around the F. Piguet movement was how time tested it is in the industry compared to the code chrono which he had reports of varying issues since launch which he didnt expect to be cleared up in the near future but did say he heard plans for that code movement to make its way to the “26331” or whatever reference it ends up being once reliability had been proven.

Thanks for clarifying

[GS93108]

The boutiques definitely know well in advance what products are coming for the full coming year, they have to make their plans accordingly. That said, products that are scheduled for release often get pulled, so the boutique may well ‘know’ that a product is coming, but then it gets pulled, thus their very tight lips.

I’m pretty sure FHB is on record as saying that something is coming this year that he’s excited about and that he wanted to release last year but the timing wasn’t right (covid, technical or other reasons weren’t divulged.)

It’ll be an interesting year for releases, but 2022 will be BIG for sure.

A 43mm ROO would just be weird, or, its actually a 42mm or a 44mm with different pushers that enlarge, reduce the measurement. I had a ROO tourb a long time ago that was technically a 45mm. So I doubt the 43mm is going to be truly NEW.

[fspfsp]

If that's true regarding the ROC movement... If you were currently going after one, would you wait for the updated in-house movement or jump on the current model?

[Patton250]

I hope it happens. I’ll be all over it. It seems automatic chronographs have been extremely difficult to make since the beginning.

[AG_Watches]

Also want to Clarify my conversation was with a AP boutique and not an AD.

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by fspfsp

If that's true regarding the ROC movement... If you were currently going after one, would you wait for the updated in-house movement or jump on the current model?

I would be surprised (but then, I have been surprised before) if a move to an in-house movement wasn't accompanied by another price hike. I decided to take a 26331 Panda before the last raise.

[fspfsp]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

I would be surprised (but then, I have been surprised before) if a move to an in-house movement wasn't accompanied by another price hike. I decided to take a 26331 Panda before the last raise.

Maybe that’s what the price hike last month was? Or are you saying another one on that model?

[fullofboats]

The calibre 4401 is also a flyback chrono. That’d be a first in a ROC. If they put it in a ROC I’d expect a hefty price bump

[Xerxes77]

Originally Posted by AK797

The thickness will be key to the new models with Code movements.

A 43mm ROO sounds interesting and makes sense, depends on how much DNA it has from the 42 or 44 models.

For what my AD told me it will replace 44mm..... because I understand will be also and a new 42 mm Diver with new in house movement.....
Btw my AD is a AP Boutique and what he told me is based by what watches are allocated this year...... so we will see but till now they don’t tell me anything who are only rumors in 10 years of collaboration...

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by fspfsp

Maybe that’s what the price hike last month was? Or are you saying another one on that model?

I think last month's bump was 5% across the board for the existing models, except for the larger bump for the RO QP. I would expect a new price for the new models, and not a lower one.

[illiguy]

Originally Posted by GS93108

The boutiques definitely know well in advance what products are coming for the full coming year, they have to make their plans accordingly. That said, products that are scheduled for release often get pulled, so the boutique may well ‘know’ that a product is coming, but then it gets pulled, thus their very tight lips.

I’m pretty sure FHB is on record as saying that something is coming this year that he’s excited about and that he wanted to release last year but the timing wasn’t right (covid, technical or other reasons weren’t divulged.)

It’ll be an interesting year for releases, but 2022 will be BIG for sure.

A 43mm ROO would just be weird, or, its actually a 42mm or a 44mm with different pushers that enlarge, reduce the measurement. I had a ROO tourb a long time ago that was technically a 45mm. So I doubt the 43mm is going to be truly NEW.

Could not agree more. As for 2022, very curious to see if we’ll see a special edition only Jumbo and/or the 15202ST gets discontinued.

I suppose, either way, any new Jumbo will essentially still be unobtainium for most.