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enjoythemusic · 2 January 2021, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by hellofromthebay

Thanks. I think AP is likely where I’ll need to go. Unfortunately, the nearest AP boutique is 400 miles away in Los Angeles.

Do you have a Panerai yet?

PPcollector · 2 January 2021, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexfanforlife

5524g will have a waitlist- at least that’s what I was told when I looked into it. I ended up going non T stamped

I believe the 5524 will have a wait list. Not sure if you were able to go today(New Year’s Day), Tiffany may be closed, but don’t think they will have one in the display case for you to purchase. May need to wait couple months if not next year to buy one.

modernpiece · 2 January 2021, 09:54 AM

This is one of my favorite

nick43 · 2 January 2021, 11:15 AM

The Calatrava have that classic look that won't go out of style.

2nastie · 2 January 2021, 12:47 PM

Outsider looking in on Tiff related Pateks, if you make an appointment to any of the stores that carry PP is it right to assume you can buy whatever they have available or do you have be an existing client in order to even get a shot?

When this pandemic lifts I’m hoping to jet off to Hawaii hahaha... might wonder in to see if anything tickles my fancy.

JR16 · 2 January 2021, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 2nastie

Outsider looking in on Tiff related Pateks, if you make an appointment to any of the stores that carry PP is it right to assume you can buy whatever they have available or do you have be an existing client in order to even get a shot?

When this pandemic lifts I’m hoping to jet off to Hawaii hahaha... might wonder in to see if anything tickles my fancy.

You can buy what’s in the case in my experience.

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UmichNJ · 2 January 2021, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 2nastie

Outsider looking in on Tiff related Pateks, if you make an appointment to any of the stores that carry PP is it right to assume you can buy whatever they have available or do you have be an existing client in order to even get a shot?

When this pandemic lifts I’m hoping to jet off to Hawaii hahaha... might wonder in to see if anything tickles my fancy.

Yes, anything in the case is fair game. It’s generally pretty limited.

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2nastie · 2 January 2021, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JR16

You can buy what’s in the case in my experience.

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Originally Posted by UmichNJ

Yes, anything in the case is fair game. It’s generally pretty limited.

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Ah gotcha. Thanks! I’ll keep that in mind next time I visit one. (Not expecting much but this is good to know)

hellofromthebay · 2 January 2021, 03:14 PM

Does getting a Patek w a Tiffany dial add any $ value compared to the same model w/I a Tiffany dial?

For example, why is this $40k when the MSRP is $20k?

https://www.chrono24.com/patekphilip...id17720725.htm

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cascavel · 2 January 2021, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hellofromthebay

Does getting a Patek w a Tiffany dial add any $ value compared to the same model w/I a Tiffany dial?

For example, why is this $40k when the MSRP is $20k?

https://www.chrono24.com/patekphilip...id17720725.htm

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Tiffany Patek will be worth more than a non-double signed Patek, but you won't be able to get a discount off of the list price from Tiffany. If you want to buy a new Patek a develop a relationship with an AD, Tiffany is the way to go.

UmichNJ · 3 January 2021, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cascavel

Tiffany Patek will be worth more than a non-double signed Patek, but you won't be able to get a discount off of the list price from Tiffany. If you want to buy a new Patek a develop a relationship with an AD, Tiffany is the way to go.

Resale values are generally higher, and for rare pieces, can be multiples higher. That said, Tiffany works very hard to allocate pieces to true watch aficionados and focuses on the long-term relationship. That contributes to the scarcity of the desirable pieces on the secondary market. Most of the watches placed end up worn and enjoyed rather than resold.

PPcollector · 3 January 2021, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by hellofromthebay

Does getting a Patek w a Tiffany dial add any $ value compared to the same model w/I a Tiffany dial?

For example, why is this $40k when the MSRP is $20k?

https://www.chrono24.com/patekphilip...id17720725.htm

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Did you ever get to visit Tiffany to make that purchase or inquire on availability of watches? Would be interesting to see what you find out. I thought you were told you could buy any watch on that website you posted from Tiffany based on your relationship with them.

Your earlier post:

I was told based on my purchase history I can get what’s available here:

https://www.tiffany.com/watches/shop...ilippe-tiffany

Knowing nothing about Patek, I’m hoping to get some advice. Are any of these in particular hard to get or readily available?

Any thoughts on the:
5524G-001
5196G-001

UmichNJ · 3 January 2021, 02:40 AM

The watches on the website have been unchanged for quite some time, and I do not believe reflect current display case inventory. I’ve seen a 5960 in NYC for some time now, so I know that piece is available.

hellofromthebay · 3 January 2021, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PPcollector

Did you ever get to visit Tiffany to make that purchase or inquire on availability of watches? Would be interesting to see what you find out. I thought you were told you could buy any watch on that website you posted from Tiffany based on your relationship with them.

Your earlier post:

I was told based on my purchase history I can get what’s available here:

https://www.tiffany.com/watches/shop...ilippe-tiffany

Knowing nothing about Patek, I’m hoping to get some advice. Are any of these in particular hard to get or readily available?

Any thoughts on the:
5524G-001
5196G-001

Both nice watches. Not sure I can get excited about a leather strap.

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hellofromthebay · 3 January 2021, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by UmichNJ

The watches on the website have been unchanged for quite some time, and I do not believe reflect current display case inventory. I’ve seen a 5960 in NYC for some time now, so I know that piece is available.

Nice, I’m planning on going in later this week.

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hellofromthebay · 3 January 2021, 03:31 AM

For the impossible to get Patek sport models at Tiffany’s. What’s the real story? Are they like a Rolex dealer, do they actually have these available in the back? Or are they truly special order after a client has spent 200k+,on less popular models?

All these Patek sport models available on resellers, where are they coming from?

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UmichNJ · 3 January 2021, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by hellofromthebay

For the impossible to get Patek sport models at Tiffany’s. What’s the real story? Are they like a Rolex dealer, do they actually have these available in the back? Or are they truly special order after a client has spent 200k+,on less popular models?

All these Patek sport models available on resellers, where are they coming from?

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Nothing in the back, they all get allocated. No different than most ADs, they usually ask for some kind of prioritization in terms of ask, and they make the call as watches arrive. Additionally, there are also very large customers in the jewelry side (could be $5mm+) that ask for an in demand watch. They also don’t immediately get one, but jewelry spend can play a role in prioritization. In terms of resale, I honestly don’t see that many on the sports side. Some come up for auction and other times resellers put pics up but don’t actually own the piece.

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UmichNJ · 3 January 2021, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by hellofromthebay

For the impossible to get Patek sport models at Tiffany’s. What’s the real story? Are they like a Rolex dealer, do they actually have these available in the back? Or are they truly special order after a client has spent 200k+,on less popular models?

All these Patek sport models available on resellers, where are they coming from?

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I would also add that spend on less popular doesn’t play a role, per se, but I think they look for true aficionados of the brand. That lends itself to buying across the product portfolio and not being strictly focused on sports watches. Three of my favorite watches are my Tiffany stamped 5196r, 5524g, and 5146g.

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KBM · 3 January 2021, 09:29 AM

From those, my vote is for the 5227; but picking one from what they have in their limited stock is not how I envision these timepieces should be chosen.

subtona · 3 January 2021, 09:40 AM

5524. Great choice.

PPcollector · 3 January 2021, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by hellofromthebay

Both nice watches. Not sure I can get excited about a leather strap.

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Haha....now you are heading into the deep end of the pool where all the BIG whales are...the SS Pateks.

Hope you have a really deep pocket or connected...good luck!

hellofromthebay · 3 January 2021, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PPcollector

Haha....now you are heading into the deep end of the pool where all the BIG whales are...the SS Pateks.

Hope you have a really deep pocket or connected...good luck!

Thank you. I’ll need it

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Al1988 · 3 January 2021, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cascavel

Tiffany Patek will be worth more than a non-double signed Patek, but you won't be able to get a discount off of the list price from Tiffany. If you want to buy a new Patek a develop a relationship with an AD, Tiffany is the way to go.

Question is how does a T stamped 5524G at close to $50k retail depreciate vs non T stamped ones that seem to be going for low $30s.

PPcollector · 3 January 2021, 02:43 PM

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Question is how does a T stamped 5524G at close to $50k retail depreciate vs non T stamped ones that seem to be going for low $30s.

https://www.phillips.com/detail/pate...e/CH080319/62/

How about worth A LOT more than non-T stamped

conkers · 3 January 2021, 02:49 PM

Given your size you wouldn't consider a used 5070?

Santiago32 · 3 January 2021, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jamestucker

5524G, 5905P/R will work well for you. You can get those with a good discount from an AD (not from Tiffany & Co though)

What kind of discount can be expected for a 5524 non-Tiffany?

cascavel · 3 January 2021, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by UmichNJ

Nothing in the back, they all get allocated. No different than most ADs, they usually ask for some kind of prioritization in terms of ask, and they make the call as watches arrive. Additionally, there are also very large customers in the jewelry side (could be $5mm+) that ask for an in demand watch. They also don’t immediately get one, but jewelry spend can play a role in prioritization. In terms of resale, I honestly don’t see that many on the sports side. Some come up for auction and other times resellers put pics up but don’t actually own the piece.

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This is completely accurate. If you've spent enough money at Tiffany you can get on the list for a SS sports watch, but it will still take several years to get a 5711, 5968, or a 5167. Ditto for a 5168. And you will have to have spent A LOT as UmichNJ points out.

77T · 4 January 2021, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by UmichNJ

Nothing in the back, they all get allocated. No different than most ADs, they usually ask for some kind of prioritization in terms of ask, and they make the call as watches arrive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by UmichNJ

I would also add that spend on less popular doesn’t play a role, per se, but I think they look for true aficionados of the brand. That lends itself to buying across the product portfolio and not being strictly focused on sports watches.

By chance, did you join the NY Watch Crew Zoom with Kelly Koch last month?

That is pretty much the upshot of how it’s been done for years.

On the allocation, she mentioned that location matters. Each boutique’s results will drive the percentage they get when a shipment arrives at HQ.

Then the local managers vet the “ask list” locally to determine the “call list”.

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UmichNJ · 4 January 2021, 12:44 AM

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By chance, did you join the NY Watch Crew Zoom with Kelly Koch last month?

That is pretty much the upshot of how it’s been done for years.

On the allocation, she mentioned that location matters. Each boutique’s results will drive the percentage they get when a shipment arrives at HQ.

Then the local managers vet the “ask list” locally to determine the “call list”.

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I was on for a bit, but am also a client at the 5th Avenue location.

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Calatrava r · 4 January 2021, 01:12 AM

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The 5524G will work well for you.

I agree given your wrist size.

3 January 2021, 09:40 AM	#50
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 25,988	5524. Great choice. __________________

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nick43 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 29	The Calatrava have that classic look that won't go out of style.

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2nastie "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: YVR Watch: Time Only Posts: 2,332	Outsider looking in on Tiff related Pateks, if you make an appointment to any of the stores that carry PP is it right to assume you can buy whatever they have available or do you have be an existing client in order to even get a shot? When this pandemic lifts I’m hoping to jet off to Hawaii hahaha... might wonder in to see if anything tickles my fancy.

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hellofromthebay "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: San Francisco Posts: 599	Does getting a Patek w a Tiffany dial add any $ value compared to the same model w/I a Tiffany dial? For example, why is this $40k when the MSRP is $20k? https://www.chrono24.com/patekphilip...id17720725.htm Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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UmichNJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NJ Posts: 441	The watches on the website have been unchanged for quite some time, and I do not believe reflect current display case inventory. I’ve seen a 5960 in NYC for some time now, so I know that piece is available.

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hellofromthebay "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: San Francisco Posts: 599	For the impossible to get Patek sport models at Tiffany’s. What’s the real story? Are they like a Rolex dealer, do they actually have these available in the back? Or are they truly special order after a client has spent 200k+,on less popular models? All these Patek sport models available on resellers, where are they coming from? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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