Looking for pepsi insert for 16710

[Thibault]

Hi all,
I’m looking to buy a Pepsi insert for my 16710 coke from 1991.
I would like to have your opinions about this insert, if it’s legit or not.
Because there is no space between the top of the insert and the triangle, and I’ve never seen this before.

Thanks for your help guys.

[TimeToGo]

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The seller is solid. You can buy with confidence.

[Thibault]

Yes I already buy a lot of item to this seller.
But I’m confused for this insert, because the place of the triangle is strange

[TimeToGo]

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If you see his listing, he had 25 listed and 15 already sold. So the likelyhood of this been the insert you buy, it is not there.

Below is the same seller with the insert in the plastic - Do you see any issues other than it been nearly double the price..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/32505801779...CABEgI1NfD_BwE

[Thibault]

I know is a good seller with good product.
But as I told you, i found it’s strange to have no space between the top of the insert and the triangle.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by Thibault

I know is a good seller with good product.
But as I told you, i found it’s strange to have no space between the top of the insert and the triangle.

If you have any doubt, just go to a Rolex Service Center with your GMT and buy a new insert. They're not expensive. You could also go to a Rolex boutique to order one. Remove the old insert and tell them it fell out and you need to replace it.

[karleone]

It’s a modern non serif / service insert which is not period correct for a 91 watch (it looks authentic though). For this period and before 2003 or 2004 inserts should be serif.

[Mdpaint]

Easiest way to tell a gen insert is the 2s in 22 should curve around the inner edge. Aftermarket ones have a straight line across bottom of 2s

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[Chris75]

The insert is authentic, but you need a fat font serif insert for a 91.

The one you posted is not period correct: they had serif back then, and they are usually salmon /pink faded.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by Mdpaint

Easiest way to tell a gen insert is the 2s in 22 should curve around the inner edge. Aftermarket ones have a straight line across bottom of 2s

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Hmmm ... That distinction is perhaps too subtle. Here's my 16700 with an insert I bought myself at the RSC in NYC. Not sure I'd say there's a curve at the bottom of the 2s. Maybe, but it's very slight.

[Mdpaint]

Originally Posted by swish77

Hmmm ... That distinction is perhaps too subtle. Here's my 16700 with an insert I bought myself at the RSC in NYC. Not sure I'd say there's a curve at the bottom of the 2s. Maybe, but it's very slight.

Yes your 2s are hugging the curve of the insert. Look at the aftermarket inserts on ebay. 22 is printed on a flat plane

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[springer]

Originally Posted by Chris75

The insert is authentic, but you need a fat font serif insert for a 91.

The one you posted is not period correct: they had serif back then, and they are usually salmon /pink faded.

Where is all this early 1990s serif insert information coming from. 1991 is rather early for serif inserts.

The insert posted by the OP is a much later insert than 1991. This same insert was also used as a service insert during the later 1990s.

[karleone]

Check watches on sale on chrono24 or other sites. The ones before 2000s usually either have serif or service bezel inserts. It’s common for a watch to have the bezel replaced during a service by a service insert. A watch that was not on serif insert which insert has been replaced by a serif one is much less common.

[lee fowler]

I have a one previous owner 16700 from 1991 which was untouched and not serviced before I purchased it and that has a serif insert. Dont forget the 16760 had a serif insert although it would have been a Coke version.

[springer]

Originally Posted by karleone

Check watches on sale on chrono24 or other sites. The ones before 2000s usually either have serif or service bezel inserts. It’s common for a watch to have the bezel replaced during a service by a service insert. A watch that was not on serif insert which insert has been replaced by a serif one is much less common.

In my post, I didn't address 2000 inserts not having serifs- which they did, but, I was referring to 1991 not being a serif insert. Chrono 24 is not a standard for what was or is correct - at least not for me and many others.

[springer]

Originally Posted by lee fowler

I have a one previous owner 16700 from 1991 which was untouched and not serviced before I purchased it and that has a serif insert. Dont forget the 16760 had a serif insert although it would have been a Coke version.

Well Lee, my coke inserts from the 1980s found on the 16760 GMT did not have serifs. Maybe the European inserts had serif inserts but not here on the ones that I found from that era.

If all the GMT 16760s had serifs, where did all these 16760s without serif inserts come from? Surely they were not fake. You also have the GMT 16750 inserts which were made during the same time frame as the GMT II inserts. I don't recall having the serif insert on the GMT 16750 model.

Looks like this topic is just another Rolex controversy, like many things Rolex.:thumbsup

[karleone]

Originally Posted by springer

In my post, I didn't address 2000 inserts not having serifs- which they did, but, I was referring to 1991 not being a serif insert. Chrono 24 is not a standard for what was or is correct - at least not for me and many others.

To my knowledge prior to early 2000 16700 and 16710 have serif inserts. You were mentioning that for 91 it’s not serif. As reference I looked up on chrono24 a few 16700 16710 in the late 80s early 90s and a few had serif inserts. It’s very common seeing pieces with replacement service inserts but the other way around (serif inserts on watches that shouldn’t have serif) is very less common.

Maybe they were both. The coke you are showing is not serif but the typography seems different from the most modern / serif inserts.

[springer]

Originally Posted by karleone

To my knowledge prior to early 2000 16700 and 16710 have serif inserts. You were mentioning that for 91 it’s not serif. As reference I looked up on chrono24 a few 16700 16710 in the late 80s early 90s and a few had serif inserts. It’s very common seeing pieces with replacement service inserts but the other way around (serif inserts on watches that shouldn’t have serif) is very less common.

Maybe they were both. The coke you are showing is not serif but the typography seems different from the most modern / serif inserts.

The one I showed is different because it was the first generation insert, followed by the serif insert which was followed by the snowman or small head insert which was also a service insert.

Many of these inserts have been changed through the years. I don't have to tell you how many dozens of collectors have contacted me for GMT inserts the past 20 years. There was a time when no one cared what was correct because no one really paid attention to what was originally on a GMT nor did they care. Collectors just wanted a nice, clean original Rolex insert.

Whether a watch is a GMT, Sub or whatever, many have had parts changed through the years. I know what I believe is correct and I am not looking to Chrono 24 for guidance. If that is your source, than so be it. While the GMT manuals re-use photos for many years - I believe the GMT owner's manual depicts the same insert as the one I placed photos of in my previous post.

My last comment concerns serif inserts being used as service replacement inserts. If they weren't used for service replacements, then what did the service replacement inserts look like during the mid to early 2000 years? My opinion is the serif inserts were both original equipment inserts and service inserts just like the "snowman" insert was an original as well as a service insert.

[karleone]

Ok got it thanks for the detailed explanation. I never actually thought of serif inserts being service inserts back in the days but that makes sense.

[AJMarcus]

Interesting. Twenty five are lots of Pepsi inserts hanging around.

[MR.SEBS]

The insert is genuine and would be fine for your application. It does not affect the overall value much.