The Tiffany Philippe

[dsk28]

First and Foremost,

Apologies if a similar thread has been made within the past 12 months or so.

For the past few months I have seen a few Tiffany dial Patek in the forum, and am wondering what is the deal with Tiffany & Co x Patek Philippe?

I browsed through the Tiffany & Co website and found a few Patek models. One of them is the 5167a which, I figure, must be non-existent and near impossible to get (even more vs the non Tiffany dials)

How did they come to a partnership, but most importantly, how does one procure a Tiffany Philippe?

Regards,
Steve

[Calatrava r]

Tiffany is among a select handful of international jewelers who have authorization to have their name on the dial. Tiffany may be the last one at this point. On expensive pieces, putting the Tiffany name on the dial is optional to the buyer. The name is applied in NYS at Stern is what the store told me when I bought there years ago. Clearly as of late, having the name on the dial adds extensive value to the watch. At least some used watch stores think so in their asking prices.

[UmichNJ]

The partnership goes back to the early days of both companies. I believe one of Patek’s earliest workshops was previously owned by Tiffany in Geneva.

[Sam Philip]

The following article gives some information about the Tiffany & Co. dials.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/pr...patek-philippe

Asprey, Beyer, Freccero, Gubelin and Serpico Y Laino also used to co-brand Patek dials.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Sam Philip

The following article gives some information about the Tiffany & Co. dials.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/pr...patek-philippe

Asprey, Beyer, Freccero, Gubelin and Serpico Y Laino also used to co-brand Patek dials.

I wouldn't mind an Asprey dial.

[tchaic]

The best way to get a Tiffany stamped Patek is to annoy Kelly relentlessly.

[zahain]

Originally Posted by tchaic

The best way to get a Tiffany stamped Patek is to annoy Kelly relentlessly.

Ive heard about her before. Is she the saleswoman at the NYC Tiffany Patek? Always seems like she gives no one a Nautilus or Aquanaut Tiffany stamped.. Maybe if you spend your life savings on some jewelry she'll bump you up the list

[tchaic]

I was joking.

[maecenas]

The real way to get one is to walk into one of the few Tiffany’s that sells them (you can request anywhere, but only NYC, Beverly Hills, Hawaii... and maybe Atlanta and Houston?... have built in “salons”) and buy whatever they have on hand (usually caltravas and then more complicated stuff). Then buy another one. Then ask for what you really want and hope for the best.

The history is really interesting. As it’s told in the Patek Phillip Biography, when Patek came to the US (1851 or so), he met with Charles Tiffany and came away feeling pretty disappointed. Months later he received one of the largest orders he had ever gotten, cementing in his mind the vast potential of the US, where even a “disappointing” meeting could lead to something.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by AK797

I wouldn't mind an Asprey dial.

its so many levels above Tiffany its probably more fitting anyway. They sell £2500 candle holders and £3000 picture frames.

Tiffany seems more mainstream luxury to me. Its backwards to me that Tiffany sells Patek and Asprey sells Rolex.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by maecenas

The real way to get one is to walk into one of the few Tiffany’s that sells them (you can request anywhere, but only NYC, Beverly Hills, Hawaii... and maybe Atlanta and Houston?... have built in “salons”) and buy whatever they have on hand (usually caltravas and then more complicated stuff). Then buy another one. Then ask for what you really want and hope for the best.

The history is really interesting. As it’s told in the Patek Phillip Biography, when Patek came to the US (1851 or so), he met with Charles Tiffany and came away feeling pretty disappointed. Months later he received one of the largest orders he had ever gotten, cementing in his mind the vast potential of the US, where even a “disappointing” meeting could lead to something.

yes, Houston for sure

You get no where with any of them though for the populars without a huge purchase history. I might get a new twenty-4 for my wife there and that seems to be not so hard, but a nautilus no way.

[maecenas]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

yes, Houston for sure

You get no where with any of them though for the populars without a huge purchase history. I might get a new twenty-4 for my wife there and that seems to be not so hard, but a nautilus no way.

It’s definitely gotten exponentially harder in the last year. I don’t have a “huge” history and I’ve gotten a 5164a and an 5990 (in the last 2 years), but I wouldn’t want to give anyone any hope that they could get those right now. That’s why sadly my answer to “how can I get one” was “walk in and buy what you see”

[RHIII]

Without significant purchase history with Tiffany and Co. you have a better chance of being struck by lightning while being attacked by a Great White shark - than sourcing models such as the 5167 and the 5711 directly from them....

Auctions are the best - most ‘economical’ way...and I would over-emphasize and quadruple bold the quotes on - economical....

The stamped dial adds $0 value to me.

Just my .02


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[PatekSF]

Tiffany is #1 a jewelry retailer. Spend a lot of $$$ with them buying jewelry, and they will allocate you a co-branded, hard-to-get piece. Simple as that.

One will never score a co-branded, hard-to-get piece by simply walking into one of their salons ...

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by maecenas

It’s definitely gotten exponentially harder in the last year. I don’t have a “huge” history and I’ve gotten a 5164a and an 5990 (in the last 2 years), but I wouldn’t want to give anyone any hope that they could get those right now. That’s why sadly my answer to “how can I get one” was “walk in and buy what you see”

It got harder because some fool overpaid for one in an auction and got the attention of Tiffany. :(

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Sam Philip]

Originally Posted by AK797

I wouldn't mind an Asprey dial.

Asprey co-branded Pateks are rarer than Tiffany & Co co-branded Pateks.

There is only one known Asprey co-branded Patek 2499 and there are two known Tiffany & Co co-branded 2499s. The Asprey 2499 was sold for CHF 3915000 last year which is the highest for any 2499 and Tiffany & Co 2499 was sold for 23520000 HKD (2950762 CHF)

[s.m.b.]

If Tiffany were the company it once was, I'd like the stamp more. Now if Patek is sold to a conglomerate like Richemont, the Tiffany stamps will again begin to make more sense.

[alubin]

Originally Posted by tchaic

The best way to get a Tiffany stamped Patek is to annoy Kelly relentlessly.

I can promise that this is the way to get shut off of a tiffany waitlist and get nothing. As somebody who owns a number of impossible to get pieces from tiffany, the only way to get one is with a RIDICULOUS amount of patience and the knowledge that you are trying to buy the most sought after watch in the world. These products are unobtanium, a gift from the brand in my opinion. Kelly is amazing, but there aren't enough to go around.

[alubin]

Originally Posted by maecenas

The real way to get one is to walk into one of the few Tiffany’s that sells them (you can request anywhere, but only NYC, Beverly Hills, Hawaii... and maybe Atlanta and Houston?... have built in “salons”) and buy whatever they have on hand (usually caltravas and then more complicated stuff). Then buy another one. Then ask for what you really want and hope for the best.

The history is really interesting. As it’s told in the Patek Phillip Biography, when Patek came to the US (1851 or so), he met with Charles Tiffany and came away feeling pretty disappointed. Months later he received one of the largest orders he had ever gotten, cementing in his mind the vast potential of the US, where even a “disappointing” meeting could lead to something.

This guy gets it

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by s.m.b.

If Tiffany were the company it once was, I'd like the stamp more. Now if Patek is sold to a conglomerate like Richemont, the Tiffany stamps will again begin to make more sense.

kind of like a girl named tiffany with a lower back tattoo (stamp) in college. Not the tiffany you want now

[Hairdude1]

For the record "annoying Kelly' won't get you or anyone anything. Bc of statements like that is why she is bombard with emails and calls at the salon. It doesn't due anyone any favors. Wait in line and if your number gets called, it gets called. Good thing Tiff isn't the only retail outlet.

[Bearxj86]

True or false - Tiffany ALWAYS collects full retail AND sales tax from every customer?

Therefore MSRP + around 9% is what every customer pays?

[Hairdude1]

I paid retail and tax.. Correct

[1688]

There is no discount on any Patek watches from Tiffany with or without the stamp. Only if you live in a tax free state will taxes not be collected...only retail location in the US that Tiffany doesn’t collect tax from is in Oregon.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by bearxj86

True or false - Tiffany ALWAYS collects full retail AND sales tax from every customer?

Therefore MSRP + around 9% is what every customer pays?

false... i have a montana drivers license so they said they would ship a Patek to montana which is a no sales tax state. They said you have to pay tax if you buy it it texas and ship it to florida since they have a retail store there and a physical presence. Ive bought online from them (not watches) and shipped to to montana as well. No sales tax.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by 1688

There is no discount on any Patek watches from Tiffany with or without the stamp. Only if you live in a tax free state will taxes not be collected...only retail location in the US that Tiffany doesn’t collect tax from is in Oregon.

A montana resident is also exempt from washington state sales tax too if you buy anything in the state and a few other western states as well. For sure it use to be that way and you have to fill out paperwork so you could get an exemption at a washington tiffany for an in person transaction (non shipping)

[dsk28]

So the only way to get one is through the NY Tiffany & Co boutique? (excluding grays)
The difference is only in the stamp and nothing else?

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by dsk28

So the only way to get one is through the NY Tiffany & Co boutique? (excluding grays)
The difference is only in the stamp and nothing else?

only a handful of tiffany locations sell Patek so its not just NY. Same watch, just with an AD stamp on the dial

[GreenLantern]

Who is Kelly? :)

[Cravings7]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Who is Kelly? :)

Lol... Was about to ask the exact same thing