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Old 2 October 2017, 03:57 AM   #61
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Great race! Vettel coming from dead last to finish 4th was very impressive and a huge congrats to Max Verstappen for winning the race. Max is a great driver, I'm hugely impressed with skill and maturity as a driver.
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Old 2 October 2017, 04:48 AM   #62
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Great race! Vettel coming from dead last to finish 4th was very impressive and a huge congrats to Max Verstappen for winning the race. Max is a great driver, I'm hugely impressed with skill and maturity as a driver.


Agree completely.

Max is a future world champion for sure.

Amazing drive by Vettel from the back of the grid to minimise the losses to Hamilton. The drive of a 4 time world champion.

Very worrying times for Mercedes though. Absolutely unstoppable since the summer break to Singapore and more so Malaysia where they are absolutely nowhere. Where has their pace gone? Need to understand their issues quickly otherwise another world championship will slip through Hamiltonís fingers.


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Old 2 October 2017, 06:24 AM   #63
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Smart move by Lewis by not defending too hard when Max passed him. He's trying to win the WDC at this point and only cares about beating Vettel.

Also Vettel is staring at a potential 5 grid spot penalty if he has to change his gearbox from the post race crash.
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Old 9 October 2017, 03:29 AM   #64
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Another disastrous race for Ferrari and Sebastian Vettel. Another great result for Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton. I would have liked to see Verstappen push Lewis a little harder for the win but traffic at the end made it difficult to challenge Lewis Hamilton. I’m a big fan of Lewis Hamilton though so I’m happy with the outcome.

This championship is almost clinched.
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Old 9 October 2017, 12:22 PM   #65
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Ferrari...smh.

The move Kevin Magnussen made on Massa was great. Passed Massa and then basically forced him off the racing line which allowed Romain to also pass Massa.
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Old 10 October 2017, 03:17 AM   #66
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Another disastrous race for Ferrari and Sebastian Vettel. Another great result for Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton. I would have liked to see Verstappen push Lewis a little harder for the win but traffic at the end made it difficult to challenge Lewis Hamilton. Iím a big fan of Lewis Hamilton though so Iím happy with the outcome.

This championship is almost clinched.


I was seriously disappointed in Alonso specifically as VER was on a major charge and was just about ready to make a move on HAM until the MacLaren cut him off! Oh well it probably wouldnít have changed the result but you never know. Lewis is impressive although I am not a fan. His talent and capability growth are incredible. Seb is in a dark place but heís got to get over it and move on. I remember Lewis patiently waiting those four years that Seb had at Red Bull. Iím enjoying the current Red Bull team a lot! Also Force India is always good for a laugh (those two drivers are so bad together).


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Old 23 October 2017, 08:35 AM   #67
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US Grand Prix did not disappoint. Big congrats to Lewis Hamilton for another win and extending his championship lead over Sebastian Vettel. Drive of the day goes to Max Verstappen who was robbed of a podium finish by a 5 second penalty.
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Old 23 October 2017, 11:06 AM   #68
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US Grand Prix did not disappoint. Big congrats to Lewis Hamilton for another win and extending his championship lead over Sebastian Vettel. Drive of the day goes to Max Verstappen who was robbed of a podium finish by a 5 second penalty.
Yup - great race! Kimi is still one of my favorites
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Old 23 October 2017, 03:32 PM   #70
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Great race weekend from practice 1 to the checkered flag!

One of my favorite tracks too.
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Old 23 October 2017, 09:19 PM   #71
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Great weekend capped by a live Stewards room controversy. The reality of the 5-sec penalty to Max was consistent with other cases of short cutting track limits to gain an advantage this year. Of course the excessive use of the run off areas makes it hard to accept - but in those cases drivers didnít gain a passing advantage.

If someone had straightened out the Esses it would be obvious. This always fuels countless debates when a podium position is at stake.

I think one F1 fan website laid it out best:
ďVerstappen cut a corner, shortened the track and by doing so overtook another car. Surely this should be a black-and-white penalty?

Sergio Perez was given a five-second time penalty and one point on his licence for overtaking Romain Grosjean at Spa with all four wheels off the track. Jolyon Palmer was given a five-second time penalty and one point on his licence for doing the same to Fernando Alonso at Monza. This decision is consistent with these previous ones.Ē




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Old 23 October 2017, 11:20 PM   #72
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US Grand Prix did not disappoint. Big congrats to Lewis Hamilton for another win and extending his championship lead over Sebastian Vettel. Drive of the day goes to Max Verstappen who was robbed of a podium finish by a 5 second penalty.
I wouldn't say he was robbed as he passed illegally to begin with. He can't win a podium by doing something illegal to get it, i.e., he cut the corner and ran over the curb to gain an advantage.
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Great weekend capped by a live Stewards room controversy. The reality of the 5-sec penalty to Max was consistent with other cases of short cutting track limits to gain an advantage this year. Of course the excessive use of the run off areas makes it hard to accept - but in those cases drivers didn’t gain a passing advantage.

If someone had straightened out the Esses it would be obvious. This always fuels countless debates when a podium position is at stake.

I think one F1 fan website laid it out best:
“Verstappen cut a corner, shortened the track and by doing so overtook another car. Surely this should be a black-and-white penalty?

Sergio Perez was given a five-second time penalty and one point on his licence for overtaking Romain Grosjean at Spa with all four wheels off the track. Jolyon Palmer was given a five-second time penalty and one point on his licence for doing the same to Fernando Alonso at Monza. This decision is consistent with these previous ones.”
Bottas ran wide at turn one (all four wheels off) fending off Ricciardo on lap two and he didn’t incur a penalty.

This decision is not consistent with other incidents.
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Bottas ran wide at turn one (all four wheels off) fending off Ricciardo on lap two and he didnít incur a penalty.

This decision is not consistent with other incidents.


I prolly didnít explain the ruling well. Running wide is different than shortcutting the course. So Bottas was OK. Instead, had he cut the apex at T1 to get by a car, heíd run afoul of the Stewards. In the drivers meeting all was explained about the allowances for running wide at turns (especially the last turn before the front-straight).

Ironically WEC Stewards instruct drivers differently for that last turn - they want no more than 3 wheels going wide. All part of racecraft - and makes for interesting weekends if you Race with different sanctioning bodies.

I do think that they should redefine the track limit rules so the fans arenít short-changed after a race, though. At Mexico this weekend itíll be different again.


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Old 24 October 2017, 07:50 AM   #75
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What the F in hell was that at the beginning, the drivers entrance.

Drivers start your engines, let's get ready to rumble.
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Old 24 October 2017, 07:52 AM   #76
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Technically they are actually hybrid power units, and the drivers can't start their engines, it takes a team of mechanics to do that.
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That was the Austin F1 race Wes?


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Old 24 October 2017, 08:02 AM   #78
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They certainly went full out America.
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In the US feed I didnít see the comment about starting engines etc

But itís true - drivers donít start the cars: https://youtu.be/n9X-ISjpMBg


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Old 24 October 2017, 08:07 AM   #80
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In the US feed I didnít see the comment about starting engines etc

But itís true - drivers donít start the cars: https://youtu.be/n9X-ISjpMBg


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They had the chap from the boxing do the entrances for the drivers. Basically he was just reading from a card cos he didn't have a scooby who any of them were.
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Old 24 October 2017, 08:40 AM   #81
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He did introduce Kvyat as the torpedo though.
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They had the chap from the boxing do the entrances for the drivers. Basically he was just reading from a card cos he didn't have a scooby who any of them were.


Ok Michael Buffer - now I get it. Heís become an ad pitch for AT&T here too.

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Technically they are actually hybrid power units, and the drivers can't start their engines, it takes a team of mechanics to do that.
They do that for the Indy car races too and it isnít possible to start those cars without an external starter either.
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I enjoyed the recent race in Austin. It was great to see Max providing some form of racing. Too bad he was penalized and not able to take that final podium spot. During the first few laps, Hamilton and Vettel also provided some fair but hard racing. Kudos to Carlos Sainz to score points on his debut outing for Renault. Overall a great race and I hope this track will stay on the calendar for a long time.
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I prolly didnít explain the ruling well. Running wide is different than shortcutting the course. So Bottas was OK. Instead, had he cut the apex at T1 to get by a car, heíd run afoul of the Stewards. In the drivers meeting all was explained about the allowances for running wide at turns (especially the last turn before the front-straight).

Ironically WEC Stewards instruct drivers differently for that last turn - they want no more than 3 wheels going wide. All part of racecraft - and makes for interesting weekends if you Race with different sanctioning bodies.

I do think that they should redefine the track limit rules so the fans arenít short-changed after a race, though. At Mexico this weekend itíll be different again.


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If they donít want drivers using that part of the track then make the curbs higher or put a wall there. Otherwise, let them race.

Niki Lauda even said the decision by the stewards was wrong.

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/...t-ever-seen-f1
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Nikiís opinion is just that. And many people have come down on the opposite side per a fan poll.

Would it surprise anyone that the Ferrari team (whose driver was passed) hasnít complained? Problem isnít the decision as much as the track limit rule (as it is written today).

Per Niki, ďBut why can you not drive over white lines if it is possible? Build a wall there if you want, but as long as there is normal circuit you can use it. The white line is not a limit, we agreed this last year.Ē But the last part isnít accurate - the leniency was about tracking out over the white line vs. shortcutting the course to gain an advantage. When you look at the incidents of shortcutting throughout the season youíll see this decision was consistent. But because it happened on last lap the outcome was more evident on TV.


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Sadly the season is winding down, sigh.

So what are your two favorite tracks to see the teams race on?
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F1 has been pretty consistent on penalizing gaining an advantage by passing off the track on the inside.

Here in America two of our announcers, David Hobbs and Steve Matchett light up real quick when that happens about giving the position back before the stewards get involved.

Max ran a stunning race but "stepped on the cat" when that fourth tire left the track.
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That is my favorite track and race. Cheers to you and enjoy!
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