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Old 17 January 2019, 07:25 AM   #91
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Yes, but the 41mm has its date window centered between the subdials, just not the markers. The 38mm is centered between neither. Makes absolutely no sense.
I understand what you’re saying. I meant that they kept the position of the date window 38mm closer towards one of the markers as they did in 41mm for consistently of being closer to the left.
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Old 17 January 2019, 07:37 AM   #92
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The 39mm ROC and early 41mm ROCs had perfect date placements. It's only when AP changed the sub-dial sizes on the 41mm ROC (around 2017 I think) that caused the issues with the date window, and now it has gotten worse with this new release. I agree it doesn't look good.
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Old 17 January 2019, 08:03 AM   #93
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The not centered date window makes me crazy.

The new 42mm ROC looks much better (same movement).

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Old 17 January 2019, 02:09 PM   #94
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The not centered date window makes me crazy.

The new 42mm ROC looks much better (same movement).

Agreed. Old 39mm was perfect.
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Old 24 January 2019, 02:02 AM   #95
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First wrist shot of the 38mm from instagram.

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Old 24 January 2019, 10:25 AM   #96
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The not centered date window makes me crazy.

The new 42mm ROC looks much better (same movement).

What is that picture there? I cant find that watch on the AP website?
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Old 26 January 2019, 05:48 PM   #97
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AP cant release a 39mm ro chrono because it would mean they realize the 41m chrono was a bit too large.
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Old 27 January 2019, 06:12 AM   #98
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Such a beauty. Definitely worth considering given the silly waiting times for the daytona. But it is nearly double the retail price of a daytona...
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Old 29 January 2019, 12:25 PM   #99
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Old 31 January 2019, 01:07 AM   #100
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Waiting for boutiques to tell me their allocations and hoping to get my name on for the silver and blue panda 38 mm chrono piece.
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Old 31 January 2019, 03:47 PM   #101
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Is it true these won’t be available until September?
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Old 8 February 2019, 01:27 AM   #102
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New ROC 38 bracelet

I have heard complaints about the bracelet being too tapered and narrow (hence feminine) and that they use the 15450 (37 mm) bracelet.

From the pic, it seems that first link is clearly wider than that of the 37mm but I guess it can still have the same taper profile.

I am guessing that it is not the exact same bracelet as the 15450.

Anyone with color on this?
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Old 8 February 2019, 04:06 AM   #103
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I have heard complaints about the bracelet being too tapered and narrow (hence feminine) and that they use the 15450 (37 mm) bracelet.

From the pic, it seems that first link is clearly wider than that of the 37mm but I guess it can still have the same taper profile.

I am guessing that it is not the exact same bracelet as the 15450.

Anyone with color on this?
So, this is what I was told by my boutique guy who saw the 38mm chrono and sent those pics:

The 38mm chrono bracelet isn't exactly that of the 15450, but.........it's much closer to a 15450 bracelet than it is a 15300 or 15202.
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Old 8 February 2019, 05:15 AM   #104
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So, this is what I was told by my boutique guy who saw the 38mm chrono and sent those pics:

The 38mm chrono bracelet isn't exactly that of the 15450, but.........it's much closer to a 15450 bracelet than it is a 15300 or 15202.
Thanks!

Yes, that is my guess too, I guess we will know when we get a see a side by side pic from the side or back, will try to get to the NYC boutique and hopefully post some real pics to clarify.
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Old 8 February 2019, 02:12 PM   #105
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What is the explanation for not having a centered date window? you would think it is an easy fix?
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Old 8 February 2019, 02:43 PM   #106
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What is the explanation for not having a centered date window? you would think it is an easy fix?
An easy fix?! I doubt it. Big missed opportunity there
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Old 9 February 2019, 07:07 AM   #107
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What is the explanation for not having a centered date window? you would think it is an easy fix?
I really don't get the non-centered date window. There must be a techinical explanation, but it looks odd. I like symmetry!
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Old 9 February 2019, 12:03 PM   #108
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There a lot of these idiosyncracies, e.g. why do the ALS, newest PP and even the Daytonas Chronos have sub-dials not in line horizonally with the main dials? I suspect its the movement, they make the movement first and when it come to the dial then say, damn it, ah well...

I guess that is why FPJ designs the dial first then builds the movement to suit th dial ...apparently.

But the date window thing is quite mysterious though, any insights?
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Old 9 February 2019, 01:13 PM   #109
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I guess that is why FPJ designs the dial first then builds the movement to suit th dial
True story
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Old 9 February 2019, 02:08 PM   #110
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The blancpain leman chrono, which is based on the same F.Piguet 1185 movement, has a perfectly symmetrical dial with the date window at 6. I don't know why AP did not come up with a solution like that.
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Old 9 February 2019, 02:34 PM   #111
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the off center date completely kills it for me
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Old 9 February 2019, 02:37 PM   #112
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The problem is the 2 sub dials are different sizes so the date is either centered between the sub dials or minute markers but not both.

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I really don't get the non-centered date window. There must be a techinical explanation, but it looks odd. I like symmetry!
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Old 9 February 2019, 10:18 PM   #113
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First wrist shot of the 38mm from instagram.

Beautiful. It will probably wear too small for my wrist though. I wish these were 39mm with the same bracelet width of the 15202.
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Old 14 February 2019, 07:12 AM   #114
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i have a deposit on a panda dial, im being told september.
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Old 14 February 2019, 07:22 AM   #115
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Which boutique did you go?
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Old 14 February 2019, 08:00 AM   #116
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i have a deposit on a panda dial, im being told september.
How much is the deposit?
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Old 14 February 2019, 10:50 AM   #117
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I've got a deposit on a 15500 ST blue and the 38mm panda as seen above and first on the list at my AD.

I have a 6.5" wrist. My 15400 OR sits too big on me and I am hoping the 38mm is not too small.

Do you guys think I can flip these both for some decent coin if I don't like them when they arrive?
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Old 14 February 2019, 10:24 PM   #118
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Yes, but the 41mm has its date window centered between the subdials, just not the markers. The 38mm is centered between neither. Makes absolutely no sense.
I don't agree with what your saying, because the date window is correctly placed on the radial line from the center of the dial, between and right in the middle of the two sub dial perimeters. I don't see anything wrong with it IMHO.
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Old 18 February 2019, 07:05 AM   #119
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I don't agree with what your saying, because the date window is correctly placed on the radial line from the center of the dial, between and right in the middle of the two sub dial perimeters. I don't see anything wrong with it IMHO.
Yes, but it is not centered between the 4 and 5 o’clock indices.
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Old 18 February 2019, 07:12 AM   #120
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I've got a deposit on a 15500 ST blue and the 38mm panda as seen above and first on the list at my AD.

I have a 6.5" wrist. My 15400 OR sits too big on me and I am hoping the 38mm is not too small.

Do you guys think I can flip these both for some decent coin if I don't like them when they arrive?

Maybe if you have one of the first, the 15500 blue probably more than the chronolo but you're not risking too much Id imagine...
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