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Old 27 February 2020, 12:51 PM   #31
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I feel like this thread might add to said noise

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Old 27 February 2020, 12:52 PM   #32
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Rolex sells every watch they make, and folks are waiting in line to buy more; nothing stale or old-hat about them.



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Old 27 February 2020, 12:53 PM   #33
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If TRF is going through a constant cycle of phases which reflect the shift in opinions, motivation, reasons for being attracted to the brand, etc. by today's owners and prospective owners, this indicates that TRF is a relevant and up-to-date resource.

I have learned a hell of a lot of factual information thanks to the contributors to this community and sharpened my technical and historical Rolex knowledge. Hell, I can even spot a bad fake now!

I prefer watch collecting to money collecting. But that's where the world is now. If a visit to this forum looked like 10 years ago, however more cosy, less irritating and more horologicaly biased, it wouldn't be a place where a newbie like I was in 2017 could learn anything about how to steer through the present landscape.

We seem to have a mix of old timers, new speculators. and many shades in between. A health sign in my view.


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Old 27 February 2020, 01:16 PM   #34
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Of course Hodinkee will marginalize Rolex, they aren't an AD for them, so Omega, Grand Seiko, Hamilton and Montblanc will get the push. It ain't as cool if you're not selling it.

If you want to see more posts about the watches themselves, then go ahead and post themself, rather than write a post complaining about how nobody else is doing it.

I just think that's sillier than all the posts that are "hated"...post content you want to see...
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Old 27 February 2020, 01:22 PM   #35
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Rolex knows exactly what they're doing.

Some of the posts I read on TRF suggest the poster, however, does not.


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Old 27 February 2020, 01:28 PM   #36
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Yes, there is a lot of chaff on TRF but if you dig a little you can find gems of knowledge and some excellent photography.
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Old 27 February 2020, 01:36 PM   #37
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if trf is going through a constant cycle of phases which reflect the shift in opinions, motivation, reasons for being attracted to the brand, etc. By today's owners and prospective owners, this indicates that trf is a relevant and up-to-date resource.

I have learned a hell of a lot of factual information thanks to the contributors to this community and sharpened my technical and historical rolex knowledge. Hell, i can even spot a bad fake now!

I prefer watch collecting to money collecting. But that's where the world is now. If a visit to this forum looked like 10 years ago, however more cosy, less irritating and more horologicaly biased, it wouldn't be a place where a newbie like i was in 2017 could learn anything about how to steer through the present landscape.

We seem to have a mix of old timers, new speculators. And many shades in between. A health sign in my view.
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Old 27 February 2020, 01:38 PM   #38
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There is a world of watches out there for everyone to enjoy, even Rolex watches.

The current madness may make certain models hard to come by, but there are models that are readily available and, again, Rolex is not the only watch brand.

In that sense, the OP is correct. If one does not like the current Rolex situation, go and enjoy all the other watches or do something completely different with one's time and money.

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Old 27 February 2020, 02:18 PM   #39
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Oh I'll play...

Rolex hasn't done anything other than good marketing. And make a very good product. From my understanding they make about the same amount of watches every year, probably in about the same numbers per model and have done so for decades. They just aren't going to respond to market demand since they know it is finite. The worst thing they could do is flood the market with what people want now...
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Old 27 February 2020, 02:33 PM   #40
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Oh I'll play...

Rolex hasn't done anything other than good marketing. And make a very good product. From my understanding they make about the same amount of watches every year, probably in about the same numbers per model and have done so for decades. They just aren't going to respond to market demand since they know it is finite. The worst thing they could do is flood the market with what people want now...
Maybe worse would be to build out to accommodate the new demand and then be left holding the proverbial bag (excess product and infrastructure) when demand goes back to normal.

As many note, Rolex knows what they are doing.
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Old 27 February 2020, 02:47 PM   #41
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Maybe worse would be to build out to accommodate the new demand and then be left holding the proverbial bag (excess product and infrastructure) when demand goes back to normal.

As many note, Rolex knows what they are doing.


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Old 27 February 2020, 02:55 PM   #42
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Maybe worse would be to build out to accommodate the new demand and then be left holding the proverbial bag (excess product and infrastructure) when demand goes back to normal.

As many note, Rolex knows what they are doing.
They do. Rolex always marketed themselves as "The last watch you will ever need." And that was the case for most of their history. Maybe people would have a SS model for daily or weekend and a PM for work; or a specialty watch (diver/Daytona) for something else. But their overall design is so unified they really don't look all that much different to most people. The divers and the GMT's are all about the same. Really. The DJ/Exploror/OP are all pretty similar. Have a few standouts with the Milgauss and Daytona. I know I am speaking TRF heresy here but one thing a Rolex looks like is a Rolex. And they are built like tanks and last forever and really never need to taken off no matter what you do; even to be wound. A less than WIS person probably sets the time on them a few times a year. And brings them in for service when they stop dead, not lose a few more seconds a week.
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Old 27 February 2020, 04:43 PM   #43
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Your joking right. Omega has a huge social media presence over at WUS at 993,012 post and counting. Almost twice Rolex and Tudor combined and that is on a non themed, multi watch brand platform.
Where do you think a lot of the well known and respected TRF members have been spending time the last few years to get away from the investment and is-it-safe threads. As nice as TRF is, there is a big watch world out side outside this particular forum.
Agreed. I used to prefer TRF when it was more watch orintated, There are great people here, but the banter was more entertaining, when it was about watces and some light personal abuse (tossers)

Now I spend more time at WUS. Some in Omega, more in IWC. It doesn't have that old flavour, but at least it is about owning rather than chasing watches.

Can we have a new subforum for watch talk, and make this one for the grey market whiners?
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Old 27 February 2020, 07:53 PM   #44
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Guys, I am actually shocked that Omega has a forum, let me see if I can find it so that I and the 10 other people on the forum can talk about the moon watch for several hours. Speedy Tuesday hurrray!!!!! Speedy Tuesday horrray!!!!!


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Old 27 February 2020, 07:56 PM   #45
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Old 28 February 2020, 01:25 AM   #46
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If Hodinkee is rolling their eyes at Rolex, why did they just make a new "week on the wrist" video with the editor in chief featuring the highly desired 11650LN Daytona? The video starts out with, "this may be the single most talked about, written about. obsessed over watch on earth." Doesn't sound like a brand that's jumping the shark. Because Rolex has a mass appeal, there might be a knee-jerk response to put over another brand by comparing it to the gold standard - Rolex. You see this on YouTube quite a bit with click-bait titles like, "Hereís Why The Omega Seamaster Is Better Than The Rolex Submariner." Sure, it might be 'better' in technical specifications and less expensive but if you buy each at retail, guess which one will take a steep depreciation hit?
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Old 28 February 2020, 02:27 AM   #47
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If Hodinkee is rolling their eyes at Rolex, why did they just make a new "week on the wrist" video with the editor in chief featuring the highly desired 11650LN Daytona? The video starts out with, "this may be the single most talked about, written about. obsessed over watch on earth." Doesn't sound like a brand that's jumping the shark. Because Rolex has a mass appeal, there might be a knee-jerk response to put over another brand by comparing it to the gold standard - Rolex. You see this on YouTube quite a bit with click-bait titles like, "Hereís Why The Omega Seamaster Is Better Than The Rolex Submariner." Sure, it might be 'better' in technical specifications and less expensive but if you buy each at retail, guess which one will take a steep depreciation hit?
stop clouding the issue with fact!!

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Old 28 February 2020, 02:39 AM   #48
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Old 28 February 2020, 02:40 AM   #49
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But did this thread nuke the fridge?
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Old 28 February 2020, 02:44 AM   #50
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ARG!! I completely agree with this. I just switched over to a VC Overseas 4500v from a 1655 and find myself googling and messaging about pricing and values.

I fully admit I have fallen into the trap. While it might be nice to hand down a cool valuable watch to my son, that's really not the point.

Should we have an AA group for us that find themselves falling victim?
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Old 28 February 2020, 03:05 AM   #51
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Old 28 February 2020, 03:09 AM   #52
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I have to agree that many posts are unreadable.. If you need to mask your watch to protect it from wear, or typing, idk why you got it at first place. Who wants to buy a problem?
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Old 28 February 2020, 03:30 AM   #53
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Hodinkee is biased anyway, they completely glossed over how John Mayer got scammed buying franken rolexes in his second talking watches.
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Old 28 February 2020, 09:49 AM   #54
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your joking right. Omega has a huge social media presence over at wus at 993,012 post and counting. Almost twice rolex and tudor combined and that is on a non themed, multi watch brand platform.
Where do you think a lot of the well known and respected trf members have been spending time the last few years to get away from the investment and is-it-safe threads. As nice as trf is, there is a big watch world out side outside this particular forum.
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Old 28 February 2020, 10:07 AM   #55
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Rolex is more a fashion piece than a horology brand. Hence the popularity with normal people who don't know/care what reference a watch is. It impressed the peers

Doesn't make them less enjoyable if you appreciate the piece but let's not pretend that they're something that they're not.

It's the same as the majority purchasing LV and pretending it's purchased due to the very best quality leather or stitching by a low key factory in Portugal. TBF this more applies to those who need the monogram stamped all over the bag..
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Old 28 February 2020, 11:18 AM   #56
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I find it funny that people think only Rolex has the supply vs demand issue. Ask your patek dealer if he has a Patek Philippe Ref. 5711 in stainless steel with a black-blue dial in stock. Then wait 20 minutes for him to stop laughing in your face.

It's just a sign that Rolex is becoming more haute horology with each passing year vs their previous market placement as a nice, reliable, mass-produced watch.
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Old 28 February 2020, 11:52 AM   #57
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I find it funny that people think only Rolex has the supply vs demand issue.
Most know that Rolex, Patek and AP all have this issue. We just hear about Rolex here because there are dedicated Patek and AP discussion boards on TRF for those sharks to jump.
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I kind of like all the threads you mentioned. Itís interesting to see other peopleís perspective on things. Honestly, the only thing I dislike are people arguing about nicknames. I just enjoy taking watches. I donít really care if itís a detailed discussion about the movement or what the thoughts are for what gets discontinued. Itís all just for fun. I come to TRF to escape reality, not worry about the quality of a post. Sure some of it gets stale... but then I just keep scrolling.
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This made me laugh! Thanks for the smile!
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