80's Advertising Pamphlet showing Rolex Submariner with Red Seconds Hand?

[jay_kay]

I found this old Rolex World of Yachting pamphlet which in itself is a very nice piece of literature from the early 80's I'd guess.





When closely inspecting the Submariner on the second page I noticed it had a red seconds hand.








Now I am guessing that this must a 16800 as it has no WG surrounds on the dial.

Got me thinking was this a precursor to the Yachtmaster and rather than just change a hand they decided to change the entire thing OR was it something that could be specified? I think it looks great and am strongly considering having the seconds hand on my 14060 replaced with a 16622 hand.

[1675-David]

A reflection? That the red handed 16800 isn’t a “thing” says a lot. But then again we did have the “blueberry” 1675 without it ever appearing in any Rolex bumf.

[Swearengen]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the "blueberry" insert 1675 only started to appear after the 1675 was out of production And mainly on the Mk3 dial with all red GMT hand

Originally Posted by 1675-David

A reflection? That the red handed 16800 isn’t a “thing” says a lot. But then again we did have the “blueberry” 1675 without it ever appearing in any Rolex bumf.

[dhknola]

I want this to be real red, but my guess is lighting.

[joli160]

My DSSD has one

[Mendota]

This is such a cool and very easy mod to do. I have seen quite a few subs with this done. Many of them are here on TRF in the modifications thread. The red yachtmaster seconds hand is a direct swap with the sub seconds hand. Hop onto Chrono24 or Ebay and search for hands. I am still thinking about maybe doing it with my OP36, if I ever get around to buying a set of Explorer hands for it...

[1665fan]

Reflection

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by Swearengen

Correct me if I'm wrong but the "blueberry" insert 1675 only started to appear after the 1675 was out of production And mainly on the Mk3 dial with all red GMT hand

I saw a really, really, really rare example on chrono24 back when these we a thing, blueberry, radial, all red, Tiffany dial… kind of like a pizza with extra everything

[tekno]

Are those blueberry inserts still stupid expensive? I remember they got ridiculous and everyone was trying to offload one or two - then all the sudden poof. They were gone.


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[springer]

The hand is red and not a reflection. Only Rolex knows why they took that promo photo with a red hand on that Submariner.

[Styles Bitchley]

Super interesting.

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by springer

The hand is red and not a reflection. Only Rolex knows why they took that promo photo with a red hand on that Submariner.

And only Rolex knows why they put that super thick minute hand on there, the ways of Rolex are mysterious indeed!!

[Xeramic]

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Greetings,
Xeramic

[tekno]

Is the last photo showing up for you guys?


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[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by Xeramic

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Greetings,
Xeramic

Yes, the seconds hand is just reflecting that thing on the side. It's not even very red.

[Kingface66]

Why on earth would it be a red seconds hand?? It’s a reflection.

[Xeramic]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Yes, the seconds hand is just reflecting that thing on the side. It's not even very red.

The hand and that metal part on the left reflect a reddish object (like the sweater of the guy shown on the other pic) where they share a similar orientation/angle in relation to it; you can well see it's an identical reflection.

The minute hand is totally common as well - the reflection (different angle, thus the bright daylight) on the blank parts got just caught on the image like a halo (I'm sure there's any particular photographer term for it).

Best,
Xeramic

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by Xeramic

The hand and that metal part on the left reflect a reddish object (like the sweater of the guy shown on the other pic) where they share a similar orientation/angle in relation to it; you can well see it's an identical reflection.

The minute hand is totally common as well - the reflection (different angle, thus the bright daylight) on the blank parts got just caught on the image like a halo (I'm sure there's any particular photographer term for it).

Best,
Xeramic

Yes, it's all reflection and light distortion with those two hands.

[zapokee]

Yes, reflection.

We saw the same photographic effect on the "red" hour hand of Filipão's awesome Sub recently (Photo credit to Filipão, of course :-). Looks red, but is actually just reflecting something red nearby.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=870163

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by zapokee

Yes, reflection.

Arigato Gozaimasu dear Sir.

[springer]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Why on earth would it be a red seconds hand?? It’s a reflection.

A reflection only on that hand and nothing else around it? I don't think so. There is no red reflections from the other two hands directly below the minute hand where they mount to the watch. No reflections anywhere else. But if calling this a reflection works for you, I'm all in.

[springer]

Originally Posted by zapokee

Yes, reflection.

We saw the same photographic effect on the "red" hour hand of Filipão's awesome Sub recently (Photo credit to Filipão, of course :-). Looks red, but is actually just reflecting something red nearby.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=870163

This is a reflection, yes, on Filipao's watch. A partial reflection and not the complete hand Doesn't look anything like the red hand in the other photos.

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by springer

A reflection only on that hand and nothing else around it? I don't think so.

This is how every internet conspiracy theory in existence got started, with one lone voice saying "I don't think so!" Unafraid of conventional wisdom and established fact, a fearless disruptor in search of the truth. I can hear cans of red spray paint being shaken in Ho Chi Minh City as I type!!

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

And only Rolex knows why they put that super thick minute hand on there, the ways of Rolex are mysterious indeed!!

Very interesting 'looking' minute hand as you say.

[springer]

Originally Posted by Xeramic

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Greetings,
Xeramic

Sorry, but the pip is still white. Not a single item on the dial is reflecting red coloring except that hand. The dial appears to be in sunlight, not shadows. If it is a reflection, there would be more red showing elsewhere. Why don't you take a video and duplicate it. That I would like to see.

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Very interesting 'looking' minute hand as you say.

I hear what you are saying Paul, something is not right. The minute hand is from a modern 6 figure Sub and it turns up in a catalog predating it's existence by 40 years, put together with that freakish red second hand, makes you think doesn't it?

Here's a picture of my cat and its transparent ear

[TuRo]

Brilliant stuff indeed... must have taken you hrs to line that photo up...and the moggies keen on getting a look at that Stalagbite action too by the look of it !

[1675-David]

Might look like Stalagbite but in fact it's a fridge magnate from Huddersfield AFC! Must be a trick of the light...

A question; if the pamphlet is advertising material for the Submariner and GMT why is the guy in the red and black stripes wearing what looks like day-date?

[baumare]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

Might look .

A question; if the pamphlet is advertising material for the Submariner and GMT why is the guy in the red and black stripes wearing what looks like day-date?

The list for GMT and Sub was to long of a wait so he got a DD instead

[Old Expat Beast]

Reading the small print, I just noticed that marine chronometer (clock) is called a Yacht-Master. Didn't know that was the original YM.