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Old 24 January 2020, 11:21 AM   #1
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YG DD President has Roman numeral IV and not IIII, fake?

I was looking at my dial today and I just noticed that my recently purchased YG DD president 18238 has a "IV" and not the normal "IIII" at the 4 position. Is this dial a fake, I have never seen a Rolex Dial with roman numerals to have "IV"?
It is a "L" dated around 1989-1990, what do you guess think. I pretty sure I will never buy vintage again too many uncertainties.
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Old 24 January 2020, 12:05 PM   #2
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I just googled IIII OR IV on a Rolex and a post showed up from the vintage section here on that very subject. From that old tread ,around 2011, it looks like back then they were saying it would be fake .
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Old 24 January 2020, 12:13 PM   #3
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I looked at this a bit, a search in VRF or TRF/Vintage for IIII finds a few mentions. (Humorously, both the IIII and the IV have been explained on the basis of “balance” or “symmetry.”)

I don’t know any certain answer, but certainly >95% of the 5-digit DD dials I’ve seen have IIII. If you don’t get a reliable answer here, it might be worth asking in Vintage forum.
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Old 24 January 2020, 12:33 PM   #4
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Holy crap I didn’t know there was a “IIII” in the Roman numerals lol!
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Old 24 January 2020, 12:43 PM   #5
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I don’t think it is fake. If you go over to HQ Milton’s website several of their 18238’s they sold have the same markings as your dial.
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Old 24 January 2020, 12:52 PM   #6
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I donít think it is fake. If you go over to HQ Miltonís website several of their 18238ís they sold have the same markings as your dial.
Funny that you mentioned this because I was checking HQ right after posting this. Makes me feel better but damn I spend a lot of money on this piece for it to have a sketchy dial.
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Old 24 January 2020, 01:40 PM   #7
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I believe its correct to have the IV on the outer marker of yours, of course not on the main dial face.

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Old 24 January 2020, 09:50 PM   #8
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My 16013 had 4Is. I'm not certain that means much given as little consistency as Rolex has had in the past. The dial shown appears to have droplet lumes of tritium; seems like a pretty good copy for an older fake.

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Old 24 January 2020, 11:03 PM   #9
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Such is the vintage market. If you want to know for sure then send it to Rolex but be ready for a possible fake dial and maybe other issues with the movement, case or bracelet. It could also be good and that would give you some piece of mind as well as service papers should you try to sell the watch. Good luck and let us know how it plays out.
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Old 24 January 2020, 11:10 PM   #10
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Bit offbeat but that has always annoyed me about the Rolex dials. It actually should be IV not IIII but never seen one with IV
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Old 24 January 2020, 11:10 PM   #11
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There are a Rolex experts around who can help you get some peace of mind. Charlie or Michael Cleves at Cleves and Lonnemann Jewelers in Bellview Kentucky should be able to help. Charlie Cleves has written books on the subject etc. Good luck.

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Old 25 January 2020, 02:12 AM   #12
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Bit offbeat but that has always annoyed me about the Rolex dials. It actually should be IV not IIII but never seen one with IV
There are examples of IIII all over the place in historical architecture and documents. Even putting aside the "watchmaker's IIII," it's well-attested. It was a minority but perfectly acceptable usage.
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Old 25 January 2020, 05:53 AM   #13
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My 180238 has IIII

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Old 25 January 2020, 05:57 AM   #14
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To go to such lengths and then get that wrong is unlikely. To me. Don't quote me on that though.
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Old 25 January 2020, 01:47 PM   #15
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You guys are starting to get me paranoid, I will contact the seller first and see what he says.
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Old 25 January 2020, 01:52 PM   #16
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Take it to an AD that sells pre-owned watches. Ask them what they'd give you for it. If it's real you get an offer. If it's fake you'll have your answer. It could be real with an aftermarket dial too.
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Old 25 January 2020, 01:55 PM   #17
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Interesting...

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/...n-numeral-iiii
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Old 27 January 2020, 01:54 PM   #18
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