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Old 13 September 2017, 08:13 PM   #1
Charles Underwood
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Please advice:Triple six matte 850M serial and MK1 dial?

Hi friends,

I really need your advice on this one.

I am interested in a rolex sea dweller 16660 matte dial with serial number 850M that has a MK1 matte dial.
Is this possible?
I thought it should have a MK2 dial.
Please help.

Many thanks in advance.
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Old 13 September 2017, 10:54 PM   #2
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The serial number seems to be a bit too late for a MK1 dial in my opinion.
I have one which is has a MK2 dial with a 8.2m serial.
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Old 13 September 2017, 11:41 PM   #3
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The serial number seems to be a bit too late for a MK1 dial in my opinion.
I have one which is has a MK2 dial with a 8.2m serial.
I know, here is a picture of the watch.
All your help is appreciated.

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Old 14 September 2017, 01:31 AM   #4
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Old 14 September 2017, 01:40 AM   #5
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The dial looks nice. Generally speaking I find MK1 dial having more pronounced patina than MK2 dials.
The case seems the be quite polished (lugs appear to be very thin).
The insert seems to be slightly later one. I use to see them more with a flat top 4 type.
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Old 14 September 2017, 01:52 AM   #6
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Thanks for your input, please keep it coming.
I like the dial also but is it original?
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Old 14 September 2017, 03:54 AM   #7
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Where are the genius people?
Please give me your opinions about the watch.
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Old 14 September 2017, 04:09 AM   #8
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If you do a simple search on the classifieds you will find many 16660s and all those listings show the first 2 of the serial and many good pictures to compare the case to. 8.5 is to late in my opinion.

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Old 14 September 2017, 04:23 AM   #9
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Dial is nice, whether original to watch or not. Case appears very polished.
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Old 14 September 2017, 04:36 AM   #10
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If you do a simple search on the classifieds you will find many 16660s and all those listings show the first 2 of the serial and many good pictures to compare the case to. 8.5 is to late in my opinion.

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Yes i know but i have also seen a 850M at the vrf dial archive with a MK1 dial.
This one :

http://www.network54.com/Forum/53954...by+german_navy

and it is a full set and bought from first owner.

So what is the truth?
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Old 14 September 2017, 04:56 AM   #11
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Yes i know but i have also seen a 850M at the vrf dial archive with a MK1 dial.
This one :

http://www.network54.com/Forum/53954...by+german_navy

and it is a full set and bought from first owner.

So what is the truth?
The truth is no one knows for certain as Rolex keeps this information strictly confidential....bottom line is they manufacture/produce watches and over certain transitional periods, they have various parts all over their shelves and are known to reuse parts in excess inventory. Is that what happened here? I'm afraid no one can tell you for certain, all the vintage community has done (graciously thanks to everyone sharing their knowledge and experiences) is accumulate live examples/data points to guesstimate specifications in different time periods.

My opinion is that it seems too late for a mk1 (mine is earlier for sure, around 7.1 million) but I also believe no one can absolutely tell you with certainty that it isn't original (other than Rolex, who will not). If you like the watch, I suggest inspecting it to your satisfaction in terms of condition and not worry so much about this aspect....I do agree from that one pic the crown guards seemed to have hit the wheel a bit too hard.
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Old 14 September 2017, 05:13 AM   #12
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Thank you all very much for your input.
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