What is the Difference between a 2005 Explorer II and a newer model Explorer II?

[Levelpar1]

I have another question for the experts.

What is the difference between a 2005 P serial # Explorer II and a Z or M serial # Explorer II? I have a chance to buy a P serial # at a real good price. It looks brand new and comes with box and papers. This one does not have the lug holes either. I don't know if I should buy this one or buy a newer model.

Thanks for your input.

[gqllc]

I think price and nothing else. If it needs a service then expect additional fees around 550

[ally]

The later one will have Rolex Rolex and the serial number engraved in the inner case

[gqllc]

Originally Posted by ally

The later one will have Rolex Rolex and the serial number engraved in the inner case

He is correct Sorry forgot that

[Tools]

Lug Holes...

Here is a P serial..



Here is a Z model..


And lastly, a G model, which would look exactly like the M...

[gqllc]

Originally Posted by Tools

Lug Holes...

Here is a P serial..



Here is a Z model..


And lastly, a G model which is identical to the M ..

He said there were no lug holes?

[Levelpar1]

Originally Posted by gqllc

He said there were no lug holes?

That's correct, the P serial Explorer II I am looking at does not have lug holes. Papers are dated 12-05-2005. The serial number on the papers and the watch match. The price on the watch is $3350 out the door. I just don't see any reason to buy a newer model for an additional $1000. Correct me if I am wrong for thinking this way.

[SaddleSC]

Another important difference...the M Serial will have a 3186 movement (as opposed to the 3185) found in older models.

[ally]

Originally Posted by gqllc

He is correct Sorry forgot that

Did I get one right Steve

Another important difference...the M Serial will have a 3186 movement (as opposed to the 3185) found in older models.

I have a 3185 movment and it keeps perfect time, I wouldnt worry about the movment

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Levelpar1

That's correct, the P serial Explorer II I am looking at does not have lug holes. Papers are dated 12-05-2005. The serial number on the papers and the watch match. The price on the watch is $3350 out the door. I just don't see any reason to buy a newer model for an additional $1000. Correct me if I am wrong for thinking this way.

Then I would say that there is something wrong that needs to be figured out.... The P was made around 2000 through 2002 - perhaps a bit later, then you had to go through K and finally Y where it is pretty much accepted that the lug holes disappeared, but you then need to go to F and D to get to the 2005 releases..

Nothing wrong with your thinking, but something that needs further investigating with this deal..

It's best to be sure before you part with your hard earned money...

Here is my Y from '04... Still has lug holes..

[Levelpar1]

Originally Posted by Tools

Then I would say that there is something wrong that needs to be figured out.... The P was made around 2000 through 2002 - perhaps a bit later, then you had to go through K and finally Y where it is pretty much accepted that the lug holes disappeared, but you then need to go to F and D to get to the 2005 releases..

Nothing wrong with your thinking, but something that needs further investigating with this deal..

It's best to be sure before you part with your hard earned money...

Here is my Y from '04... Still has lug holes..

OK, my eyes are getting real bad. When I was at the store I could have sworn the papers say "P" serial. I just had my Friend scan and email me a copy of the watch papers and it is a "D" serial number.

Maybe I need an eye Dr. not another Rolex.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Levelpar1

OK, my eyes are getting real bad. When I was at the store I could have sworn the papers say "P" serial. I just had my Friend scan and email me a copy of the watch papers and it is a "D" serial number.

Maybe I need an eye Dr. not another Rolex.

Mystery solved.. That's a good price for a 5 year old watch out the door.......

[Z-Sub]

Got get her!

[Howie]

Most M, V's, and newer have the 3186 movement and the rehaut. A D serial will have the 3185 movement and no rehaut.

[Levelpar1]

I just got back from the Jewelry store and picked up the Explorer II with a Black Dial. D serial number with box and papers. Looks brand new. $3350 out the door.

I will post pictures tomorrow.

Thanks for the input!!

[phampau]

Wow, nice price and congrats on the watch!

[MortgageGuy]

Yeah sounds fair to me, cannot wait to see some pics

[gqllc]

Yes that was a good deal and mystery was solved! Good job!!

[hdrazor251]

Originally Posted by Levelpar1

I just got back from the Jewelry store and picked up the Explorer II with a Black Dial. D serial number with box and papers. Looks brand new. $3350 out the door.

I will post pictures tomorrow.

Thanks for the input!!

Congratulations Sounds like you got yourself a great deal.

Can't wait for the pics.

[SaddleSC]

That is an excellent price. Congratulations on a fantastic watch! I bought my Exp II two weeks ago and I have been pleasantly surprised how versatile (and comfortable) it is.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by ally

Did I get one right Steve




I have a 3185 movment and it keeps perfect time, I wouldnt worry about the movment

X2. Just cannot see what the hype and fuss is over a 3186 the only difference its its very very very slightly thicker.This is to accommodate the slightly more precise detent gear and it might have a in-house hairspring.If you put both movements stripped down I would doubt if even a Rolex watchmaker could tell them apart without difficulty.

[Andad]

Peter,

While I agree with you regarding the detent gear and the hairspring being minor differences the gearing on the hour advance feature is different and IMO there are gears that might not be interchangeable.
Perhaps a Forum tech could give you the correct answer.

[Sperry]

Watchtime has an article this [April 2011] month on the new Explorer movement.
There is also a more robust shock absorbing system.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Sperry

Watchtime has an article this [April 2011] month on the new Explorer movement.
There is also a more robust shock absorbing system.

But more robust to what most certainly not the KIF system that Rolex has used for decades.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by directioneng

Peter,

While I agree with you regarding the detent gear and the hairspring being minor differences the gearing on the hour advance feature is different and IMO there are gears that might not be interchangeable.
Perhaps a Forum tech could give you the correct answer.

Yes thats correct Eddie but saying that you mix them up 3185/86 I would say even a experience technician would have to look very hard to tell them apart.