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Chrisxx · 12 April 2009, 09:18 PM

Guys,
Your advice please, I was checking out secondhand watches and found a nice non date sub 2008.

I say nice, but in fact it is damaged, I am just wondering if I could strike a deal that would make this worth buying.

The asking price is £2350, against an mrrp of £3380, although these can be purchased grey easily for £2750. The problem is that it has a large scratch on the crystal, and the crystal has somehow been rotated so the LEC is now at 630.

I am amazed that someone has damaged it in this way, it makes me wonder if the bezel is also non original as i would have thought that this would also have been damaged??

If I bought this it would be sent straight to RSC for a new crystal and service, the question is how much would this cost? I am thinking if I could get the wach for <£2k this could turn out to be a good deal?

Any coments? I am thinking the risk may to too high? Also if I were to sell on, would the maintenance history effect its value?

Thanks,
Chris

speedy321 · 12 April 2009, 09:29 PM

If I were you I would pass, you never know what has happened to it.

abr68 · 12 April 2009, 09:59 PM

Hi,
The asking price is a "normal" price for a 14060 which is in good shape.
Considering the dial and crystal are damaged you need to add maybe another GBP 500 to get if fixed.
As speedy said pass on that and look for one in good shape with box and papers which you would get around GBP 2,500.
Happy Easter
Axel

dkpw · 12 April 2009, 10:45 PM

I second the advice from Speedy and Axel. Why take the chance with a watch that has clearly not been taken care of. You should be able to find a non-COSC 14060 in better condition for less money, I for one prefer a Sub ND to have less dial writing.

Good luck in your search.

coddger · 12 April 2009, 11:00 PM

Clearly no good deal here that I can see. Can you?

Spark · 12 April 2009, 11:24 PM

I can't be 100% sure, but I think the non date sapphire is around £80 including VAT.
I think you would probably get away with around that as a cost as if the watch does not require a service due to it age.
Ring Bexley on Tuesday and ask I'm sure they could tell you approx cost over the phone if you tell them you have a 2008 Sub 14060 that you've damaged the crystal on

Is that the little pawn type shop tucked away just off the main road???
I'm sure they must have room for a deal, but unless you can get it for £2000 or less and you can get away with as little as £80 I'd give it a miss personally.

Imtiaz · 13 April 2009, 12:12 AM

Give it a miss. Two weeks ago I purchased a BNIB V series 14060M for GBP 2320. Yes that is correct.

Non AD but very reputed with a huge selection of top quality watches. I buy from them quite regular.

Got the whole works with it too.

GoldenBear · 13 April 2009, 12:15 AM

If you can't afford a 'healthy' one, I wouldn't waste my money on a sick one.

Chrisxx · 13 April 2009, 12:30 AM

Guys,
Thanks, for the input, I fully agree that the risk is too high on this one. I might have a chat with the guys in the shop just out of interest though.

[QUOTE=Spark;1104669] Is that the little pawn type shop tucked away just off the main road???

Yes I think we are talking about the same place, just by the pannier market?

Regards,
Chris

Tools · 13 April 2009, 01:06 AM

I'm gong to disagree with everybody..

If the watch is truly a 2008, then it doesn't need a service yet... The insides are probably just fine..

As for the crystal scratch, it could have been anything.....even something as stupid as a "friend" showing how he can scratch the impervious Sapphire, or mis-adventure in the workshop....... I can't count the number of crystals I've scratched or broken..

If it can be had at a decent price, a 100 dollar crystal can be put on at most AD's who have a watchmaker on staff..

In the US, I might look around to see if there is a better bargain, but I understand that in the UK a good SS Sub is hard to come by.

.............

Chrisxx · 13 April 2009, 03:38 AM

Tools, thanks, a different take indeed. I will have a chat with the shop and see what deals may be available.

With regards the apparrent rotation of the crystal (with LEC now at 630), is that some thing that is common? I find it hard to believe how that has occurred... unless someone has already dismantled to try and fix the scratch?!
Chris

Tools · 13 April 2009, 03:47 AM

On the non date crystals, the crown should be at 6 o'clock... but I have seen them at any number of other locations........the watch doesn't really care where it's at.

I don't see any reason why anybody would take the crystal off and not replace it after that much work............

It is a curious situation, but not one to be alarmed about......

make sure the bezel rotates freely and the tube "O" ring is in the proper location... ensure that when you set the time a clockwise rotation of the crown results in a clockwise movement of the hands..

Flaxmoore · 13 April 2009, 03:51 AM

Before I realized you were talking about pounds sterling, I thought 2350 was an awesome deal. As it lies, though, I'd pass.

GeoGio Greece · 13 April 2009, 06:59 AM

As the crystal has no "locator" but seats with its seal on the case, a severe knock, that caused the scratch, may have caused also the slight rotation. Such a knock, might have affected also the movement. Unless permitted to open and check, or even simply check on a special tool the angle of the rotation and friction, walk away !

12 April 2009, 09:29 PM	#2
speedy321 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bangkok Posts: 13	It won't do for me... If I were you I would pass, you never know what has happened to it.

12 April 2009, 10:45 PM	#4
dkpw "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: David Location: Scotland Watch: 16610 & 214270 Posts: 1,294	I second the advice from Speedy and Axel. Why take the chance with a watch that has clearly not been taken care of. You should be able to find a non-COSC 14060 in better condition for less money, I for one prefer a Sub ND to have less dial writing. Good luck in your search. __________________ Sub 16610, Explorer 214270, Ω Speedy Pro & many others. David

12 April 2009, 11:00 PM	#5
coddger "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Only Mom Knows Location: Land Of The Free Watch: 116520,16610,16013 Posts: 1,573	Clearly no good deal here that I can see. Can you? __________________ Contentment Is Not The Fulfillment Of Getting All The Watches You Want, It Is The Realization Of How Many Rolexes You Already Have.

13 April 2009, 12:15 AM	#8
GoldenBear "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: San Francisco Watch: Submariner Posts: 2,480	If you can't afford a 'healthy' one, I wouldn't waste my money on a sick one. __________________ ____________________________________________ Rolex Blue TT Submariner Rolex SS Submariner Breitling Emergency Mission They are just watches, wear 'em. ____________________________________________

13 April 2009, 01:06 AM	#10
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,087	I'm gong to disagree with everybody.. If the watch is truly a 2008, then it doesn't need a service yet... The insides are probably just fine.. As for the crystal scratch, it could have been anything.....even something as stupid as a "friend" showing how he can scratch the impervious Sapphire, or mis-adventure in the workshop....... I can't count the number of crystals I've scratched or broken.. If it can be had at a decent price, a 100 dollar crystal can be put on at most AD's who have a watchmaker on staff.. In the US, I might look around to see if there is a better bargain, but I understand that in the UK a good SS Sub is hard to come by. ............. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

12 April 2009, 09:59 PM	#3
abr68 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Axel Location: Germany Watch: view my signature Posts: 612	Hi, The asking price is a "normal" price for a 14060 which is in good shape. Considering the dial and crystal are damaged you need to add maybe another GBP 500 to get if fixed. As speedy said pass on that and look for one in good shape with box and papers which you would get around GBP 2,500. Happy Easter Axel

12 April 2009, 11:24 PM	#6
Spark "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Real Name: Mark Location: U.K. Watch: Too Many Posts: 2,092	I can't be 100% sure, but I think the non date sapphire is around £80 including VAT. I think you would probably get away with around that as a cost as if the watch does not require a service due to it age. Ring Bexley on Tuesday and ask I'm sure they could tell you approx cost over the phone if you tell them you have a 2008 Sub 14060 that you've damaged the crystal on Is that the little pawn type shop tucked away just off the main road??? I'm sure they must have room for a deal, but unless you can get it for £2000 or less and you can get away with as little as £80 I'd give it a miss personally.

13 April 2009, 12:12 AM	#7
Imtiaz Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: De Location: Tokyo Watch: Daytona, Sub, DS, Posts: 1,046	Give it a miss. Two weeks ago I purchased a BNIB V series 14060M for GBP 2320. Yes that is correct. Non AD but very reputed with a huge selection of top quality watches. I buy from them quite regular. Got the whole works with it too.

13 April 2009, 12:30 AM	#9
Chrisxx Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Plymouth, Uk Posts: 125	Guys, Thanks, for the input, I fully agree that the risk is too high on this one. I might have a chat with the guys in the shop just out of interest though. [QUOTE=Spark;1104669] Is that the little pawn type shop tucked away just off the main road??? Yes I think we are talking about the same place, just by the pannier market? Regards, Chris

13 April 2009, 03:38 AM	#11
Chrisxx Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Plymouth, Uk Posts: 125	Tools, thanks, a different take indeed. I will have a chat with the shop and see what deals may be available. With regards the apparrent rotation of the crystal (with LEC now at 630), is that some thing that is common? I find it hard to believe how that has occurred... unless someone has already dismantled to try and fix the scratch?! Chris

13 April 2009, 03:47 AM	#12
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,087	On the non date crystals, the crown should be at 6 o'clock... but I have seen them at any number of other locations........the watch doesn't really care where it's at. I don't see any reason why anybody would take the crystal off and not replace it after that much work............ It is a curious situation, but not one to be alarmed about...... make sure the bezel rotates freely and the tube "O" ring is in the proper location... ensure that when you set the time a clockwise rotation of the crown results in a clockwise movement of the hands.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

13 April 2009, 03:51 AM	#13
Flaxmoore Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Casey Location: Toledo, Ohio Watch: Alpha Milsub Posts: 704	Before I realized you were talking about pounds sterling, I thought 2350 was an awesome deal. As it lies, though, I'd pass.

13 April 2009, 06:59 AM	#14
GeoGio Greece "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: George Location: Athens, Greece Watch: es --> A lot ! Posts: 2,327	As the crystal has no "locator" but seats with its seal on the case, a severe knock, that caused the scratch, may have caused also the slight rotation. Such a knock, might have affected also the movement. Unless permitted to open and check, or even simply check on a special tool the angle of the rotation and friction, walk away ! __________________ Rolex owner since 1971. 5513 and 16700 the loved ones. DJ WG Jubilee 16170 for wife - U series Oyster Perpetual WG 177234 for daughter V-series

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