5513 EBay Listing Legit?

[PVR]

Dan S. Not looking to pick a fight or start an argument. I can accept your position and while I disagree with it, I still respect your views and right to your opinion. Nuff said.

Turo/Swaini: I see what you see, but I have seen this typeface before and they are genuine. I have a Radial GMT with a typeface I have never seen before but, it too is genuine. There are a bunch of engravings that have not been posted or classified online, but they are still genuine, regardless if they have no typeface classification. Stefano Mazzariol has a website I used to subscribe to that has about a dozen typefaces, far more than Perezscope has posted.

As far as the OP engraving, it would be nice to see the reference side 5513 and see if the fonts match or not. Notwithstanding that fact, the only reasons to re-engrave a case are if the numbers are worn off, if the case is fake or if you want to match it to papers. In the case of the OP, the case and caseback are genuine, IMO. He isn't selling a full set and to me the striations between the lugs and engraving style is genuine. Regardless of whether or not it's not a common typeface.

[swaini3]

Originally Posted by btinl

(and probably here too).

I wouldn't say probably.

[swaini3]

While less important than the case, Im willing to bet the insert is aftermarket as well.

[Dan S]

FWIW, mine has a close serial and similar font on the digits. Too much wear on the STAINLESS to read it well.

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by PVR

Dan S. Not looking to pick a fight or start an argument. I can accept your position and while I disagree with it, I still respect your views and right to your opinion. Nuff said.

Turo/Swaini: I see what you see, but I have seen this typeface before and they are genuine. I have a Radial GMT with a typeface I have never seen before but, it too is genuine. There are a bunch of engravings that have not been posted or classified online, but they are still genuine, regardless if they have no typeface classification. Stefano Mazzariol has a website I used to subscribe to that has about a dozen typefaces, far more than Perezscope has posted.

As far as the OP engraving, it would be nice to see the reference side 5513 and see if the fonts match or not. Notwithstanding that fact, the only reasons to re-engrave a case are if the numbers are worn off, if the case is fake or if you want to match it to papers. In the case of the OP, the case and caseback are genuine, IMO. He isn't selling a full set and to me the striations between the lugs and engraving style is genuine. Regardless of whether or not it's not a common typeface.

Are you and seller friends?

[swaini3]

Originally Posted by Dan S

FWIW, mine has a close serial and similar font on the digits. Too much wear on the STAINLESS to read it well.

I must say I've seen a few like yours now after nerding out on engravings, I guess not all have the dash at the bottom.

[alwayshere]

This thread has become a little too tense - settle down guys.

On the "1" engraving, agree with the guys who have opined that they don't all have that dash on the bottom. Mine does not either.

Also, those chamfers indeed do not look its from Rolex.

Dial also looks to have being treated with some kind varnish? matte spray maybe?

[jedione65]

Well looks like it sold, on the other hand he also has a Mk 1 GMT 1675 with a similar looking case but this time with box and papers.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by jedione65

Well looks like it sold, on the other hand he also has a Mk 1 GMT 1675 with a similar looking case but this time with box and papers.

Did you get it?

[jedione65]

Originally Posted by Dan S

Did you get it?

No, not for me

[MrChamfers]

Around $14k all in, that price seems pretty steep especially if the insert is bogus.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by jedione65

Well looks like it sold, on the other hand he also has a Mk 1 GMT 1675 with a similar looking case but this time with box and papers.

Can't see another item from seller. Did it also sell last night ?

[TimeToGo]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Can't see another item from seller. Did it also sell last night ?

Still there...
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/27594125428...Bk9SR7Kx--epYg
.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

Still there...
.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/27594125428...Bk9SR7Kx--epYg
.

My Spidey senses are back up.

[Dan S]

I have to admit that the listings read like they are written by someone who has a solid knowledge of vintage Rolex.

[springer]

Originally Posted by swish77

My Spidey senses are back up.

I've had a couple guys already contact me about this set. My response to them was run hard and run fast. Check the lume under magnification and the case looks like it was stamped out yesterday.

[Jawnz]

Originally Posted by swaini3

While less important than the case, Im willing to bet the insert is aftermarket as well.

The bezel insert is the cheapest thing to buy genuine, would be pretty boneheaded to get everything right or close to right but cheap out on the insert.

Either way I’m fooled and out of my league. I bought a 1675 from auction with poor photos as a Hail Mary, thank god RSC took it in and serviced it, felt like a coin flip at the time.

[swaini3]

Originally Posted by Jawnz

The bezel insert is the cheapest thing to buy genuine, would be pretty boneheaded to get everything right or close to right but cheap out on the insert.
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From RSC yes, but to get the genuine version of the one on the watch, is not cheap.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Can't see another item from seller. Did it also sell last night ?

Cheers for locating it ✓ - Oddly, this one has no EL indents on the caseback either.... except for unusual indents really close in to where caseback screws down. Have to say this looks like a Botox Rolex (a Rolox if you like), as JP says.

I'd prefer a nice honest well worn case personally any day.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by springer

I've had a couple guys already contact me about this set. My response to them was run hard and run fast. Check the lume under magnification and the case looks like it was stamped out yesterday.

Exactly. The dial reaction under UV is odd too.

I'd love to see ANY other example of a 2 million serial 1675 that has an engraving that looks like that. Virtually zero wear, and the engraving itself looks too deep and fresh. Maybe it's the lighting in the photo, but a 50-plus year-old engraving shouldn't look like that, IMHO.

Authentic 1675 example on top, Ebay seller's 1675 on bottom.

[Dan S]

I have one that is pretty close to the eBay watch and shows slightly more wear. :-)

[seattleal]

Originally Posted by swish77

Exactly. The dial reaction under UV is odd too.

I'd love to see ANY other example of a 2 million serial 1675 that has an engraving that looks like that. Virtually zero wear, and the engraving itself looks too deep and fresh. Maybe it's the lighting in the photo, but a 50-plus year-old engraving shouldn't look like that, IMHO.

Authentic 1675 example on top, Ebay seller's 1675 on bottom.

Look closely at the right lug on the bottom example (the one in question). Is that a weld where the lug meets the case?

[springer]

Originally Posted by seattleal

Look closely at the right lug on the bottom example (the one in question). Is that a weld where the lug meets the case?

I saw that too. Sure does look like a weld.

Below are two known examples that are, in my opinion, without doubt, original case engravings. The last photo with the watch being held between the seller's thunb and forefinger is the one being offered for sale on ebay by medium-well.

[jedione65]

Interesting analysis of these watches that look really good at a glance. The seller seemed to do a great job taking apart the watch for display. I’m actually always cautious buying from any dealer, but this guy seems to have a lot of experience in vintage watches if you look at his profile picture, a whole box of rare vintage Rolex watches. Also 100% positive feedback? I’d still rather buy from a non dealer if that makes sense, less chance for shenanigans.
I suppose is always a big risk buying sight unseen from the internet thought when watches show up for auction it’s always tempting to bid in hopes of getting a deal. I wonder if other dealers buy these or where they end up.

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by Dan S

I have to admit that the listings read like they are written by someone who has a solid knowledge of vintage Rolex.

Yes, a pro dealer, most probably

[springer]

Originally Posted by Filipão

Yes, a pro dealer, most probably

Medium-Well, who is selling this GMT set, was a forum member here, and elsewhere, who was banned. He came back onto this forum with another user name and was banned again. Could he be back again!

The mods should look into this.

[jedione65]

Originally Posted by springer

Medium-Well, who is selling this GMT set, was a forum member here, and elsewhere, who was banned. He came back onto this forum with another user name and was banned again. Could he be back again!

The mods should look into this.

Why did he get banned? It sounds like juicy story.

[Jawnz]

Originally Posted by jedione65

Why did he get banned? It sounds like juicy story.

Clearly got banned because of suspect sales like this. That being said, let’s hear the gossip.


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[coolbreeze]

Little late to the party here, but the underside of the 5513 MF lugs are almost immaculate for a 57-year-old watch that the seller touts is "unpolished."