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[enjoythemusic]

Question: Will the current teams still receive the same funding from the sport's payout system? If by adding another team funding would be 'cut' to the current teams, this could cause the vote to be skewed in keeping today's status quo. Thus no team has a chance to be added now, and perhaps in the future. Imho the FIA / Liberty Mafdia / whomever should decide, as am sure they know who has the resources and talent pool.

[INC]

In my opinion, since there will be no more money, there are only two options left to let them race:

- the new team(s) will not receive a share of the revenues,
- or they pay so much money as an entrance fee which covers the losses of the other teams for years.

I think, as there is no reason at all for the other teams to let a new competitor enter into their circus, so the aboves are the very minimum requirements to let the owners think about this idea.

[SDGT3]

Just because the FIA has vetted the team's application, after having rejected 3 other team's applications, doesn't mean automatic entry to F1. Andretti Motorsport needs to reach a commercial agreement with FOM and who knows what that will be. Toto and Stefano Dominicali have been the most vocal regarding possible expansion to the grid. The rumored price of entry has also gone up from an estimate $100m to over $200m.

An Andretti Cadillac team could mean expanded viewership in NA as there are now 5 total races in NA and 3 just in the US.

Then there is also this caveat:

F1 teams have to prove they have the sporting, technical and financial capabilities to join the F1 grid, as well as explain plans on sustainability and positive societal impact.

[dba]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Then there is also this caveat:

F1 teams have to prove they have the sporting, technical and financial capabilities to join the F1 grid, as well as explain plans on sustainability and positive societal impact.

I'm only referencing the sporting capabilities, but the teams in 7th through 10th place have a combined total of 48 points, whereas Alpine in 6th is closer to 100 points.

If F1 wants to be honest with themselves, and their audience, they'll actually have to answer the question about the sporting capabilities of the four teams at the bottom of the points table. Andretti can't do too much worse.

[Lol-x]

Verstappen has made this sport very uninteresting to a lot of spectators (650,000 alone in the USA).

While I remain interested, it is a struggle to watch when by lap 3 Verstappen has a 5 second lead...

[piratfisk]

Originally Posted by dba

I'm only referencing the sporting capabilities, but the teams in 7th through 10th place have a combined total of 48 points, whereas Alpine in 6th is closer to 100 points.

If F1 wants to be honest with themselves, and their audience, they'll actually have to answer the question about the sporting capabilities of the four teams at the bottom of the points table. Andretti can't do too much worse.

These are great points. I'm all for the expansion of the grid, but Horner's grubby mitts would be hard-pressed to voluntarily take a pay cut. The Andretti name goes back decades & has history with Lotus, Ferrari & Alfa. Bringing that racing dynasty back into the sport is, I believe, a solid move for F1's future fanbase.

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Verstappen has made this sport very uninteresting to a lot of spectators (650,000 alone in the USA).

While I remain interested, it is a struggle to watch when by lap 3 Verstappen has a 5 second lead...

Excellent comments, as well. I honestly don't watch VER anymore. He runs off & does his own thing, I pay attention to the RUS/NOR/PIA/HAM-level drivers. That's where the fun racing is. It's so easy for a casual fan to bandwagon onto the winning team (ten years ago, it was HAM at MB). "omg I love drinking red bull & I love watching 'my team' win" pffffttt

Any team can sweep the points boards with infinity dollars... Look at the late 90s, early 00s New York Yankees.

[77T]

I’m surprised by 2 of the teams who didn’t make it: Hitech GP and Rodin Carlin. Both field multiple cars in F2, F3 & F4.

But there is one element I haven’t noticed mentioned in the media.

Andretti supports much more than this bid with the FIA. They have a Formula E team in that World Championship series (FE represents sustainability, renewable energy, and net zero commits) and an Extreme E Championship team that makes active investments in planetary sustainability as well as diversity in race teams - each team has a female driver paired with a male driver.

I think that may have made a difference aside from the financial ante which was the same for all applicants.


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[Lol-x]

That's true, I have more interest watching the inter team battles between Hamilton v. Russell, Sainz v. Leclerc and Piastri v. Norris, Tsunoda v. Ricciardo (Lawson) etc.

[piratfisk]

Originally Posted by 77T

I’m surprised by 2 of the teams who didn’t make it: Hitech GP and Rodin Carlin. Both field multiple cars in F2, F3 & F4.

But there is one element I haven’t noticed mentioned in the media.

Andretti supports much more than this bid with the FIA. They have a Formula E team in that World Championship series (FE represents sustainability, renewable energy, and net zero commits) and an Extreme E Championship team that makes active investments in planetary sustainability as well as diversity in race teams - each team has a female driver paired with a male driver.

I think that may have made a difference aside from the financial ante which was the same for all applicants.


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Excellent points. Admittedly, I don't know much about the current Andretti organization, just know they're in many different disciplines. I think they have Honda engines in their IndyCar teams, which may be awkward if they get Cadillac to sign on as a supplier. But, Oracle RBR did the same with Ford so...

Originally Posted by Lol-x

That's true, I have more interest watching the inter team battles between Hamilton v. Russell, Sainz v. Leclerc and Piastri v. Norris, Tsunoda v. Ricciardo (Lawson) etc.

Don't forget the epic comedy/tragedy that is Alpine. "We want to create an all-French team!" *cries when both French drivers make hand gestures to each other & blame everything other than themselves*

[77T]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Verstappen has made this sport very uninteresting to a lot of spectators (650,000 alone in the USA).

While I remain interested, it is a struggle to watch when by lap 3 Verstappen has a 5 second lead...

I get that Steve and there is the problem of damping viewers.

In racing, the embarrassing lack of performance among the other teams isn’t the fault of the dominant team or drivers (unless they are caught cheating).

How these other teams manage to fritter away combined billions of € and not seriously challenge RB is beside me.


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[piratfisk]

Originally Posted by 77T

I get that Steve and there is the problem of damping viewers.

In racing, the embarrassing lack of performance among the other teams isn’t the fault of the dominant team or drivers (unless they are caught cheating).

How these other teams manage to fritter away combined billions of € and not seriously challenge RB is beside me.


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It's not like Haas/Alpine/Alfa have a DRASTICALLY worse car. It's not like entering MotoGP on a Vespa. I, too, do not understand how the third-tier teams cannot scrape together a point or two, or how their cars seem to be leagues slower.

[JP.]

From the 1986 season. These guys were complete lunatics to drive these monsters. The cars made even 1400 horsepower in the qualifying trim. Gerhard Berger reported wheelspin at 345 km/h on his Benetton-BMW.

[SDGT3]

Saw that photo yesterday.... might has well be in a go kart in terms of level of protection from the cockpit.

[JP.]

Yes, those guys were insane. Amazing that they could fit their balls to that small cockpit. :D :D

[prnceofpersia23]

Rooting for Andretti to get on the grid. They bring so much motorsport heritage and history to the table.

Would be great to see some mid to lower level IndyCar drivers get a potential pathway to F1.

I'd also love to see some more American drivers get an opportunity. I'm always pulling for Sargeant and wince every time he puts his car in the wall.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by JP.

Yes, those guys were insane. Amazing that they could fit their balls to that small cockpit. :D :D

Yup, and guess where the gas tank is.

[piratfisk]

Originally Posted by prnceofpersia23

Rooting for Andretti to get on the grid. They bring so much motorsport heritage and history to the table.

Would be great to see some mid to lower level IndyCar drivers get a potential pathway to F1.

I'd also love to see some more American drivers get an opportunity. I'm always pulling for Sargeant and wince every time he puts his car in the wall.

I agree with all of this! I like Haas now because they're a US team & I'm a KMAG fan (I'm of Danish descent). Whenever SAR ruins his car week after week, it makes me grimace. I was excited at the Colton Herta prospect (having not really known who he was), but then watched some of his racing in IndyCar & IDK if he'd do much better than SAR. Alexander Rossi may be a good contender, as he is an FIA Super License holder & has some actual F1 experience.

[prnceofpersia23]

Originally Posted by piratfisk

Alexander Rossi may be a good contender, as he is an FIA Super License holder & has some actual F1 experience.

I think that's the challenge...there are very few American Super License holders, that I know of at least.