JLC MUT RG Perpetual Calendar <vs> Patek Philippe 5146R Annual Calendar

[kevmacau]

Hello everyone. I am planning to add a rose gold calendar piece to my collection and I have narrowed down to two choices. Which one would you choose and why?

Some thoughts:
1) The JLC is a perpetual calendar while the Patek is an annual calendar. To me, perpetual calendars are superior to annual calendars but I can't afford any Patek perpetual calendars. Therefore I am not sure if the JLC is the 'wiser' choice here.
2) I am currently on the wait list for a Patek 5711. Buying the 5146 now may cancel my purchase decision of the 5711 as I don't see myself having two Pateks in the near future.
3) The JLC is around $13k cheaper than the Patek, taking my AD's discount into consideration. so I may use this difference to fund my 5711.





Have a nice day!
Kev

[SROB]

I've never owned either brand, so would defer to others... but my $.02, unless resale is a big deal to you, I'd go JLC.

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[AK797]

I'm really impressed by the JLC PC, very clean and efficient dial and fantastic price, so I would get this and the 5711. Otherwise I'd choose the 5396 with Breguets as my AC.

[slashd0t]

The JLC all day long.

[SL BRABUS]

No doubt it got to be the one and only Patek Philippe 5146R....

[joli160]

The dial of the JLC looks much nicer imho

[Rockrolex]

Originally Posted by SROB

I've never owned either brand, so would defer to others... but my $.02, unless resale is a big deal to you, I'd go JLC.

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Somewhat similar here. I do own a JLC (but not a PC), and I also voted for JLC.

[jrs146]

Both beautiful watches. I think it when you buy a Patek you buy it because you want a Patek. On complication and price alone the JLC is the obvious choice... but it’s not a Patek. Maybe that means something to you and maybe it doesn’t. And that right there is your answer!


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[LitzDoc]

Originally Posted by kevmacau

Hello everyone. I am planning to add a rose gold calendar piece to my collection and I have narrowed down to two choices. Which one would you choose and why?

Some thoughts:
1) The JLC is a perpetual calendar while the Patek is an annual calendar. To me, perpetual calendars are superior to annual calendars but I can't afford any Patek perpetual calendars. Therefore I am not sure if the JLC is the 'wiser' choice here.
2) I am currently on the wait list for a Patek 5711. Buying the 5146 now may cancel my purchase decision of the 5711 as I don't see myself having two Pateks in the near future.
3) The JLC is around $13k cheaper than the Patek, taking my AD's discount into consideration. so I may use this difference to fund my 5711.





Have a nice day!
Kev

As a 5146R owner I would say JLC. More complication for the money. The perpetual dial is beautiful.


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[RUK]

I've tried both on a LOT! and the Patek feels much richer and nicer on the wrist. The JLC is nice but it isn't comparable to the Patek finishing.

[LitzDoc]

Originally Posted by RUK

I've tried both on a LOT! and the Patek feels much richer and nicer on the wrist. The JLC is nice but it isn't comparable to the Patek finishing.

I have never seen the JLC PC. I actually did not know they made one.

I agree the 5146R is one of my favorite watches. It has stood the test of time in my collection which is hard to do. It has a great feel on the wrist. 38 mm is perfect. It has a warm feel with the cream dial and the rose gold case.


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[LitzDoc]

Originally Posted by LitzDoc

I have never seen the JLC PC. I actually did not know they made one.

I agree the 5146R is one of my favorite watches. It has stood the test of time in my collection which is hard to do. It has a great feel on the wrist. 38 mm is perfect. It has a warm feel with the cream dial and the rose gold case.


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[wulin]

I have tried both the JLC and the Patek, I would choose Patek. The 5146r just feels better on my wrist.

[soundserious]

Ultimately it comes down to which one passes the 3 second test? For me it’s the 5146 all day every day. The case is so well proportioned and the dial is so darn classic!

[mps354]

I have never taken a liking to the 5146 reference, so I vote jlc in this case

[jon_jon]

Historically JLC has been known for their movements and having provided movements for other Swiss watch manufacturers. JLC has made perpetual calendars for quite some time now, but the recent version that OP tried is a nice modern design.

IMO, JLC makes a nice perpetual calendar for the price and I think their SS PC for under $20K USD is a bargain.

However as others have said, people purchase a Patek because it is a Patek. Not just in name only, Patek makes some nice watches. The 5146 is probably their most popular AC and has been in production for over 10 years. Patek just celebrated the 20th Anniversary of the Annual Calendar a couple of years ago, having patented the AC in 1996.

At this price level, get the watch that appeals to your heart. Another consideration is a pre-owned patek 3940J, which should be available at a slightly higher price.

[tng11]

I'm not a fan of the moonphase at 12 on the JLC. Can't dispute it is good value for money with the complication at a reasonable price (but the finish of the JLC is not as perfect as the PP.)

For some reason, the 5146 really doesn't do anything for me. In terms of annual calendars I far prefer the 5396 and 5205.

[kneedeep]

Something to be aware of with some PCs including this JLC:

"Easy Operation

The watchmakers in Le Sentier made life very easy for the lucky ones who will buy this Jeager-LeCoultre Master Perpetual. To set or correct the perpetual calendar, there is only 1 button. You can’t mess up (big time). The only thing you need to take care of is that you don’t set the calendar between 8pm and 4am. Some mechanisms have already been set to motion, and it is better to not temper with it during this event. Also, the little pusher at 8 o’clock that you use to forward the date (the days, months, years and Moon automatically correspond) should be used with care of course. If you push it too many time and advance beyond the current date, there is little you can do except wait for the power reserve to run out and wait for the date that is being displayed. If you really advanced it too far (months, perhaps years), you need to have it fixed by a watchmaker. This movement has no reverse button (some perpetual calendars do have this), so always set the date with care."

Credit- Fratellowatches article by Robert-Jan Broer, December 9, 2016

[rebel_1]

Depends on your OCD. Personally, I wouldn’t settle, meaning if you really want the PP. If you’re really in the air on it, the JLC is a very nice alternative.

[Silver Bullet]

Originally Posted by kneedeep

Something to be aware of with some PCs including this JLC:

"Easy Operation

The watchmakers in Le Sentier made life very easy for the lucky ones who will buy this Jeager-LeCoultre Master Perpetual. To set or correct the perpetual calendar, there is only 1 button. You can’t mess up (big time). The only thing you need to take care of is that you don’t set the calendar between 8pm and 4am. Some mechanisms have already been set to motion, and it is better to not temper with it during this event. Also, the little pusher at 8 o’clock that you use to forward the date (the days, months, years and Moon automatically correspond) should be used with care of course. If you push it too many time and advance beyond the current date, there is little you can do except wait for the power reserve to run out and wait for the date that is being displayed. If you really advanced it too far (months, perhaps years), you need to have it fixed by a watchmaker. This movement has no reverse button (some perpetual calendars do have this), so always set the date with care."

Credit- Fratellowatches article by Robert-Jan Broer, December 9, 2016

The downside of this is that if the watch sits for a long time, there is no quick advance for date, day, month, etc. You have to scroll forward through time with the crown to advance them day by day. So if you’re not going to wear this one everyday, get a winder for it.

If the choice is 5146 vs JLC and a 5711, I’d take the latter. If the choice is 5146 vs JLC, I’d take the 5146. On the wrist, it’s just a much more special watch.

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by kneedeep

Something to be aware of with some PCs including this JLC:

"Easy Operation

The watchmakers in Le Sentier made life very easy for the lucky ones who will buy this Jeager-LeCoultre Master Perpetual. To set or correct the perpetual calendar, there is only 1 button. You can’t mess up (big time). The only thing you need to take care of is that you don’t set the calendar between 8pm and 4am. Some mechanisms have already been set to motion, and it is better to not temper with it during this event. Also, the little pusher at 8 o’clock that you use to forward the date (the days, months, years and Moon automatically correspond) should be used with care of course. If you push it too many time and advance beyond the current date, there is little you can do except wait for the power reserve to run out and wait for the date that is being displayed. If you really advanced it too far (months, perhaps years), you need to have it fixed by a watchmaker. This movement has no reverse button (some perpetual calendars do have this), so always set the date with care."

Credit- Fratellowatches article by Robert-Jan Broer, December 9, 2016

No wonder people stop setting their PC’s after awhile. As much as I’d like to own a PC, that just seems to be too much trouble for me.

[kneedeep]

Originally Posted by texasmade

No wonder people stop setting their PC’s after awhile. As much as I’d like to own a PC, that just seems to be too much trouble for me.

A winder solves the issue of not having to reset a self-winding PC while not being worn. And the JLC above is self- winding. However manual wind PCs would have to be reset each time after the power reserve runs out.

[macct]

I like both, but selected the Patek. I would select the JLC if it was in SS. The JLC is more attractive IMO and wears well on the wrist. The Patek wears higher on the wrist, and has more wrist presence. The Patek also wears small with a wider bezel. IMO, the Patek is the better buy than a gold JLC.

[learningtofly]

I love both watches, and nearly pulled the trigger on that same JLC earlier today (listed on another forum). However, having owned a couple of JLC PC's in the past the thing I can't get past is the date window. It spoils the symmetry of the dial for me, and it's a dial that needs symmetry.

For that reason alone, the PP gets my vote.

[GoingPlaces]

Big fan of JLC here, but you have to go with the Patek in this case.

[timewarped80]

I've owned both in WG, ended up keeping the 5146. While I appreciate JLC, the Patek was just more satisfying to wear, IMHO. I like that it is more substantial than the JLC, while still being discrete. The saphire/dial has a bit more depth as well, and the deployant is a nice touch. The Patek is a bit more difficult to set, but I keep mine on a winder. I feel like the the Patek also edges out the JLC aesthetically with its more rounded as opposed to sharper lines. Can't go wrong either way, but overall the Patek wins for me.

[.db]

Originally Posted by tng11

For some reason, the 5146 really doesn't do anything for me. In terms of annual calendars I far prefer the 5396 and 5205.

I feel the same way.

[Rogdogg]

I voted on for the JLC because I much prefer the dial to the PP. It's very well laid out in my opinion whereas I find the PP a little clumsy looking.

If you can also use the savings to fund a mystical 5711 then it's a no-brainer in my opinion.

[onmyhand]

A Patek is always a Patek. The presence and wrist feeling is IMHO better.
I will go for 5146r.

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by kneedeep

Something to be aware of with some PCs including this JLC:

"Easy Operation

The watchmakers in Le Sentier made life very easy for the lucky ones who will buy this Jeager-LeCoultre Master Perpetual. To set or correct the perpetual calendar, there is only 1 button. You can’t mess up (big time). The only thing you need to take care of is that you don’t set the calendar between 8pm and 4am. Some mechanisms have already been set to motion, and it is better to not temper with it during this event. Also, the little pusher at 8 o’clock that you use to forward the date (the days, months, years and Moon automatically correspond) should be used with care of course. If you push it too many time and advance beyond the current date, there is little you can do except wait for the power reserve to run out and wait for the date that is being displayed. If you really advanced it too far (months, perhaps years), you need to have it fixed by a watchmaker. This movement has no reverse button (some perpetual calendars do have this), so always set the date with care."

Credit- Fratellowatches article by Robert-Jan Broer, December 9, 2016

I had an IWC PC with a Kurt Klaus movement and this happened to me. I will never buy another PC again.