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Old 18 February 2018, 04:42 AM   #1
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Can I put a deposit down for 5712 (AD)

Guys fairly new here please don't ridicule me. I want to put a deposit down for a new one from an AD.

Seems quite tough so people are not even taking names. Can any one please help. Would appreciate a good connection.

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Old 18 February 2018, 04:45 AM   #2
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its going to be difficult. I would wait until at least mid march as maybe some people will have removed themselves from the waitlist after the price rise. Its possible but not a guarantee, but it may be the best option

Its a very hard piece to get without an already established AD relationship.
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Old 18 February 2018, 04:52 AM   #3
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its going to be difficult. I would wait until at least mid march as maybe some people will have removed themselves from the waitlist after the price rise. Its possible but not a guarantee, but it may be the best option

Its a very hard piece to get without an already established AD relationship.
Thanks tyler, i have an AD took my name can we get a confirmation number etc
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Old 18 February 2018, 04:56 AM   #4
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Thanks tyler, i have an AD took my name can we get a confirmation number etc
i doubt you will get much more than a verbal confirmation. Waitlists are dynamic and people get passed over a lot for other customers the AD is trying to keep.

I would have a discussion about how many people are a head of you and how long they estimate to clear the list. It will probably take longer than their estimate because of those who might get added later and are VIP's, but it should give you a ballpark. I would also check outside NYC though as that is going to be harder.
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Old 18 February 2018, 05:02 AM   #5
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i doubt you will get much more than a verbal confirmation. Waitlists are dynamic and people get passed over a lot for other customers the AD is trying to keep.

I would have a discussion about how many people are a head of you and how long they estimate to clear the list. It will probably take longer than their estimate because of those who might get added later and are VIP's, but it should give you a ballpark. I would also check outside NYC though as that is going to be harder.
He said he will give a confirmation number by Monday. Mentioned about 2 years waiting as well. Would love to have my name down some where if the line is anything shorter.

Never bought anything from an AD before. Seems like we have to start some where Will take you experts on this one.
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Old 18 February 2018, 05:39 AM   #6
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I asked about a deposit. Was told no need for one as it wouldn’t help my position at all.


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Old 18 February 2018, 06:40 AM   #7
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Would be great to get on a list and get a confirmation etc. How can we make sure we are on a list
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Old 18 February 2018, 06:47 AM   #8
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i doubt you will get much more than a verbal confirmation. Waitlists are dynamic and people get passed over a lot for other customers the AD is trying to keep.

I would have a discussion about how many people are a head of you and how long they estimate to clear the list. It will probably take longer than their estimate because of those who might get added later and are VIP's, but it should give you a ballpark. I would also check outside NYC though as that is going to be harder.
Tyler saw you scored one in 9 days unbelievable. Congrats
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Old 18 February 2018, 07:10 AM   #9
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Guys fairly new here please don't ridicule me. I want to put a deposit down for a new one from an AD.

Seems quite tough so people are not even taking names. Can any one please help. Would appreciate a good connection.

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A year ago at this time, you could get a 5712/1A SS at my AD fairly easily (3-6 month wait), but after the Patek Exhibition all the hype rolled in. It's now a crazy wait for the 11 & 12 talking years and years unless you have really spend hundreds of thousands at your AD. I have not spent hundreds of thousands at my AD.
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Old 18 February 2018, 08:16 AM   #10
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Tyler saw you scored one in 9 days unbelievable. Congrats
good timing on a delivery, a good AD, and got it before the demand took of to the level its at today.

That would not happen today for sure, so that just shows how crazy its gotten since just last summer.
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Old 18 February 2018, 08:17 AM   #11
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Wear it well Taylor. Happy for you.


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Old 18 February 2018, 11:06 AM   #12
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Would be great to get on a list and get a confirmation etc. How can we make sure we are on a list


Unfortunately any “confirmation” you get for your name and position on a list will be verbal at best and non-binding so basically means nothing. If you find an AD or two who says they will put you on a list, you prob should drop in periodically to chat and develop a relationship and certainly while you are waiting if you buy a few watches that will certainly help.


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Old 18 February 2018, 12:43 PM   #13
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Thanks JR. I spoke the guy from Tourneau and he mentioned about getting me a confirmation number. Does it mean anything..
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Old 18 February 2018, 01:19 PM   #14
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No it doesn’t. If some big spending VIP walks in and drops big money and then asks for a 5712, they’re getting it.
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Old 18 February 2018, 03:05 PM   #15
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Thanks JR. I spoke the guy from Tourneau and he mentioned about getting me a confirmation number. Does it mean anything..
I’ll be blunt for your sake. I’ve never heard of a confirmation number on a Patek order. That’s a bunch of nonsense.

If you’re a valued customer you will get your watch in due time. If you’re a whale you will get it fast and if you’re nobody you will be put on the “list”. People on the phone get turned away.
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Old 18 February 2018, 03:23 PM   #16
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I still wouldn't discount calling around a little-- see if you can by chance find one- when I visited my Patek dealer about 6 months ago- they had one of those in the case, and tried to sell it to me instead of the Aquanaut i wanted... I passed as I really don't like a complicated watch at the moment. Maybe my taste will change- but needing to know moonphases doesn't seem high on my priority list at this stage of life.

So since October-- like in the last few months-- it's gone this nutty? Weird. Must be all the cryptonaires.
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Old 18 February 2018, 03:26 PM   #17
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I visited a PP dealer the other day
He would not take any further names on a WL for either a 5711 or 5712.
He told me his WL means nothing.
He is only going to offer them to people who have bought from him before.
The other reason, he told me he does not know if he will get any 5711/5712 in 2018.
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Old 18 February 2018, 03:34 PM   #18
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I visited a PP dealer the other day
He would not take any further names on a WL for either a 5711 or 5712.
He told me his WL means nothing.
He is only going to offer them to people who have bought from him before.
The other reason, he told me he does not know if he will get any 5711/5712 in 2018.


The last part is interesting. Is your AD in a big city or is it a smaller AD?
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Old 18 February 2018, 05:48 PM   #19
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I visited a PP dealer the other day
He would not take any further names on a WL for either a 5711 or 5712.
He told me his WL means nothing.
He is only going to offer them to people who have bought from him before.
The other reason, he told me he does not know if he will get any 5711/5712 in 2018.
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The last part is interesting. Is your AD in a big city or is it a smaller AD?
agreed very interesting, and that is the third member in the last week who has said that same thing. So im doing my best to keep track, but the trend is getting stronger for some new distribution strategy for these models.

At a minimum it implies distributor level decisions on allocations to specific customers for delivery via AD and not AD's getting watches in inventory to sell to whoever.
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Old 19 February 2018, 07:32 AM   #20
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The lists really mean nothing at all without a solid relationship with the AD. Why would any retail dealer sell a hard to come by product to an unknown customer when a long term great customer suddenly pops up and wants one. In another words it easy to keep being skipped over. Lists are not published and no one knows what the real deal is. Prepaying in full speaks volumes.
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Old 19 February 2018, 07:42 AM   #21
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The lists really mean nothing at all without a solid relationship with the AD. Why would any retail dealer sell a hard to come by product to an unknown customer when a long term great customer suddenly pops up and wants one. In another words it easy to keep being skipped over. Lists are not published and no one knows what the real deal is. Prepaying in full speaks volumes.


I was put on a list early last year, and I received a white dial 5711 in December without having purchased anything from the AD. I would not say I had a solid relationship other than my occasional pop-in to say hello and talk watches.
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It seems there are multiple reports about few to no 5711 or 5712 coming in 2018.....Being mentioned by many different people on different threads.

I wonder how much water it holds.
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A couple of years ago I was debating if a nearly new one was worth £20K and thought no and went with RG instead... now they are £35K...
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A couple of years ago I was debating if a nearly new one was worth £20K and thought no and went with RG instead... now they are £35K...
3 years ago I got a 5711 blue dial without being on any list for £16K
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The last part is interesting. Is your AD in a big city or is it a smaller AD?
Outside a large city.
He told me he is getting 3 5167a’s this year (2018).
I put down a deposit and I am #1 on his waitlist, he thinks 2-3 months.
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Old 19 February 2018, 09:25 AM   #26
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Just from speaking to a lot of them on the phone I know there are some ADs in CA that will accept deposits and have been told putting a deposit down certainly helps your positioning. With the 5712 this is true from my experience in speaking to CJ Charles (AD in La Jolla). Also, forgot the name but AD in Naples, FL accept deposits and stated it provides an advantage. Nothing is certain with any of these lists of course and I have no clue how effective the deposit really is. Just sharing my findings from speaking to various ADs -- most don't even bring up putting down a deposit.
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I’ll be blunt for your sake. I’ve never heard of a confirmation number on a Patek order. That’s a bunch of nonsense.

If you’re a valued customer you will get your watch in due time. If you’re a whale you will get it fast and if you’re nobody you will be put on the “list”. People on the phone get turned away.


Thanks for the honesty. If I have to start some where. What would be your suggestion.


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Old 20 February 2018, 11:26 AM   #28
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I still wouldn't discount calling around a little-- see if you can by chance find one- when I visited my Patek dealer about 6 months ago- they had one of those in the case, and tried to sell it to me instead of the Aquanaut i wanted... I passed as I really don't like a complicated watch at the moment. Maybe my taste will change- but needing to know moonphases doesn't seem high on my priority list at this stage of life.

So since October-- like in the last few months-- it's gone this nutty? Weird. Must be all the cryptonaires.


I see that makes sense. Now the market is calm down a little. Hope things change. Would you be able share me in PM who would be that AD.


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agreed very interesting, and that is the third member in the last week who has said that same thing. So im doing my best to keep track, but the trend is getting stronger for some new distribution strategy for these models.

At a minimum it implies distributor level decisions on allocations to specific customers for delivery via AD and not AD's getting watches in inventory to sell to whoever.


It could be good thing or bad thing. Depending. I would assume some kind of fairness for new entrants. I am new to this and would appreciate an AD who is willing to help me get there.


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Outside a large city.

He told me he is getting 3 5167a’s this year (2018).

I put down a deposit and I am #1 on his waitlist, he thinks 2-3 months.


Bills does he happen to have any 5712. Would you be able to share me in PM. I am happy to call and ask around.


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