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rahulma · 1 June 2015, 03:11 AM

I typically prefer watches that are larger/look larger, yet somehow after wearing the 5970 for a while now, i feel like the size/look is perfect for its aesthetic; a jewelry piece of sorts.

el1125 · 1 June 2015, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rahulma

I typically prefer watches that are larger/look larger, yet somehow after wearing the 5970 for a while now, i feel like the size/look is perfect for its aesthetic; a jewelry piece of sorts.

Very true. Agree

paverman · 1 June 2015, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rahulma

I typically prefer watches that are larger/look larger, yet somehow after wearing the 5970 for a while now, i feel like the size/look is perfect for its aesthetic; a jewelry piece of sorts.

Stunning.

Daytonaman799 · 1 June 2015, 11:48 AM

i like the 5970 dial better. I HATE the chin on the 5270's. I also hate where the sub dials are. These are minor to most but are a big deal to me. In my mind the 5970 series may be the best watches ever made. The dial designs are perfect as is the case size IMHO. I don't think its gets better than that.

stradman · 1 June 2015, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Daytonaman799

i like the 5970 dial better. I HATE the chin on the 5270's. I also hate where the sub dials are. These are minor to most but are a big deal to me. In my mind the 5970 series may be the best watches ever made. The dial designs are perfect as is the case size IMHO. I don't think its gets better than that.

There is no chin on the latest generation 5270.....

rebel_1 · 1 June 2015, 08:27 PM

I prefer the 5970; although, I doubt I'll ever be able to truly make the decision to buy one.

iazrollie · 1 June 2015, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by conkers

It will be interesting to see whether the 3rd generation 5270 prices harden a little given that they have corrected some of the early dial anomalies which have received so much negative press.

Will be interesting. The 5790 prices have softened some recently.

conkers · 1 June 2015, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by iazrollie

Will be interesting. The 5790 prices have softened some recently.

Really? Hadn't sensed that and have been monitoring closely!

iazrollie · 1 June 2015, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by conkers

Really? Hadn't sensed that and have been monitoring closely!

5970 and 5070 have soften about 10/15 %. But, that may just be US market. Although the recent HK auction wasn't so hot.

conkers · 1 June 2015, 11:23 PM

Interesting. Noticed it on 5070 but not sensed any reduction in asking prices on 5970. Of course chrono24 never tells the full story but just monitoring the websites of some of the specialists in this type of piece.

Kittayos · 2 June 2015, 03:55 PM

Price on 5970r and p is very solid from my point of view. The j and g are a bit weak recently, less popular apparently.

lmcgbaj · 3 June 2015, 12:30 AM

5970 but I would take either happily without complains. :)

el1125 · 3 June 2015, 01:27 AM

5970

conkers · 15 June 2015, 09:57 AM

Finally saw the 2015 blue dial 5270 in the flesh; I think it is now pretty close to perfection (just the sub-equator subsidiary dials that remain a very small annoyance to my eyes) and they have sorted out the Series 1 and Series 2 dial weaknesses effectively. Sadly I didn't get any photos, but I will definitely consider getting one. The AD also had the white dial version, blue preferred over that for sure, but not seen RG version yet. It was still sealed, so I wasn't able to see the naked blue dial, but it did look a little different from 5070P and 5100G I have previously owned, and also very different to the 5140P.

henryjoeng · 5 July 2015, 12:16 PM

It is hard for me to choose between it and the 5270R

subtona · 5 July 2015, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by henryjoeng

It is hard for me to choose between it and the 5270R

That looks as good as it gets

Abdullasaif · 8 July 2015, 10:08 PM

5970 been my holy grail for a while.

nyc2la · 8 December 2017, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Racerdj

I totally agree and I might add there is nothing wrong with either of these grail pieces. I really like the 5270R and was told that the production numbers will be very limited. We shall see. There is a 5270R on Chrono but I thought it was not out yet for purchase.

Sorry to bump this, but curious if you heard any rumblings about the 5270R being discontinued at the upcoming Basel? I recently heard from an AD (whatever that's worth) that it will. Given the two 3rd generation WG versions (blue dial and white dial) were discontinued last year, it seems plausible. And, IIRC, the two 3rd generation WG versions had a 3 year production run, and this is the 3rd year of the RG.

Chiboy · 8 December 2017, 10:39 AM

These are all over my head, but damn are they beautiful. Not a lot of wrong choices here! The blue dial is beautiful, but the cream ones have a nice vintage look.

I googled these watches as I was reading this thread, not realizing it was a couple of years old. Seems prices have come down, although they aren't quite giving them away.

Marciano490 · 8 December 2017, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by nyc2la

Sorry to bump this, but curious if you heard any rumblings about the 5270R being discontinued at the upcoming Basel? I recently heard from an AD (whatever that's worth) that it will. Given the two 3rd generation WG versions (blue dial and white dial) were discontinued last year, it seems plausible. And, IIRC, the two 3rd generation WG versions had a 3 year production run, and this is the 3rd year of the RG.

Will they do a p first, you think?

toucan · 8 December 2017, 11:59 AM

The 5970 has such a cleaner look. It's near perfect. I don't think they will discontinue without a new PCC.

tng11 · 8 December 2017, 12:15 PM

I like the layout of the non-chin 5270 more than the 5970 with the day/night indicator and leap year displays. Plus in-house, etc. If I won the lottery, 5270G blue dial would be my first pick.

But my money would still be on the 5970 as the one that will retain its value.

nyc2la · 8 December 2017, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Marciano490

Will they do a p first, you think?

They have a P, although with diamonds in the 5271. And they haven’t done a J yet. So, I’m not sure if they will discontinue the 5270 line just yet, but I was wondering about the R specifically given its 3 year run and the suggestion earlier in the thread that it would not be produced in large numbers.

AK797 · 8 December 2017, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nyc2la

Sorry to bump this, but curious if you heard any rumblings about the 5270R being discontinued at the upcoming Basel? I recently heard from an AD (whatever that's worth) that it will. Given the two 3rd generation WG versions (blue dial and white dial) were discontinued last year, it seems plausible. And, IIRC, the two 3rd generation WG versions had a 3 year production run, and this is the 3rd year of the RG.

What answer will best get you to break out that RG bad boy?

Murcielagoboy2 · 8 December 2017, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by iazrollie

5970 and 5070 have soften about 10/15 %. But, that may just be US market. Although the recent HK auction wasn't so hot.

I think so too.

nyc2la · 9 December 2017, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

What answer will best get you to break out that RG bad boy?

Hear, hear! All this research and noodling about what’s next is getting me closer to that inevitably!

As an owner of the 5270r, which along with many current non-sports model Pateks not doing great in the aftermarket, I was disappointed last year when it was not discontinued with the 2 WG versions. We shall see what 2018 Basel brings...

raclaims · 9 December 2017, 06:13 AM

They are both INCREDIBLE. I have the 5270R so to me it's the best lol !!

Calatrava r · 9 December 2017, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by stradman

Just out of interest, why do you say that? Ok I know we don't know yet how long the 5270r will be in production, but assuming they are similar production numbers would you still say the same?

Check out the prices on the 5270 used. Just hovering over 100K. The 5970s are 30K higher. I would definitely buy the 5270r used. The best value of all them is the 5970P. They are close to 200K.

horologycrazy · 9 December 2017, 09:34 AM

They are both stunning pieces and you can't go wrong with either one.......

Murcielagoboy2 · 12 December 2017, 10:00 PM

I'm actually surprised that people prefer the 5270 over the older piece. It means some "sense" is creeping in; The newer model's movement is superior and display and dial is far cleaner.
Above all, I guess it's the fact that the new piece is a touch larger.

I wish TS would cut production. It would give his customers more confidence to go for the newer pieces.

Going off on a tangent I actually think the first gen 5270G is the nicest of the whole bunch.

8 December 2017, 10:39 AM	#49
Chiboy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Chicago Watch: Daytona Posts: 5,383	These are all over my head, but damn are they beautiful. Not a lot of wrong choices here! The blue dial is beautiful, but the cream ones have a nice vintage look. I googled these watches as I was reading this thread, not realizing it was a couple of years old. Seems prices have come down, although they aren't quite giving them away. __________________ Datejust w/black Tapestry dial (1985) / Daytona (2016)

1 June 2015, 11:48 AM	#34
Daytonaman799 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NYC/South Fl Watch: Rolex, Patek Posts: 3,505	i like the 5970 dial better. I HATE the chin on the 5270's. I also hate where the sub dials are. These are minor to most but are a big deal to me. In my mind the 5970 series may be the best watches ever made. The dial designs are perfect as is the case size IMHO. I don't think its gets better than that.

1 June 2015, 08:27 PM	#36
rebel_1 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 2,132	I prefer the 5970; although, I doubt I'll ever be able to truly make the decision to buy one.

1 June 2015, 11:23 PM	#40
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 5,994	Interesting. Noticed it on 5070 but not sensed any reduction in asking prices on 5970. Of course chrono24 never tells the full story but just monitoring the websites of some of the specialists in this type of piece.

2 June 2015, 03:55 PM	#41
Kittayos "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Bkk Posts: 309	Price on 5970r and p is very solid from my point of view. The j and g are a bit weak recently, less popular apparently.

3 June 2015, 12:30 AM	#42
lmcgbaj "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: G Location: Canada Watch: es are FUN!!! Posts: 1,979	5970 but I would take either happily without complains. :)

3 June 2015, 01:27 AM	#43
el1125 Banned Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USA Posts: 3,578	5970

15 June 2015, 09:57 AM	#44
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 5,994	Finally saw the 2015 blue dial 5270 in the flesh; I think it is now pretty close to perfection (just the sub-equator subsidiary dials that remain a very small annoyance to my eyes) and they have sorted out the Series 1 and Series 2 dial weaknesses effectively. Sadly I didn't get any photos, but I will definitely consider getting one. The AD also had the white dial version, blue preferred over that for sure, but not seen RG version yet. It was still sealed, so I wasn't able to see the naked blue dial, but it did look a little different from 5070P and 5100G I have previously owned, and also very different to the 5140P.

8 July 2015, 10:08 PM	#47
Abdullasaif "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Dubai Watch: bipolar Posts: 2,854	5970 been my holy grail for a while.

8 December 2017, 11:59 AM	#51
toucan "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: NYC Watch: 5970 Posts: 1,980	The 5970 has such a cleaner look. It's near perfect. I don't think they will discontinue without a new PCC.

8 December 2017, 12:15 PM	#52
tng11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: N/A Posts: 3,629	I like the layout of the non-chin 5270 more than the 5970 with the day/night indicator and leap year displays. Plus in-house, etc. If I won the lottery, 5270G blue dial would be my first pick. But my money would still be on the 5970 as the one that will retain its value.

9 December 2017, 06:13 AM	#57
raclaims "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NJ Posts: 2,584	They are both INCREDIBLE. I have the 5270R so to me it's the best lol !!

9 December 2017, 09:34 AM	#59
horologycrazy "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Toronto Posts: 48	They are both stunning pieces and you can't go wrong with either one.......

12 December 2017, 10:00 PM	#60
Murcielagoboy2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: London Posts: 431	I'm actually surprised that people prefer the 5270 over the older piece. It means some "sense" is creeping in; The newer model's movement is superior and display and dial is far cleaner. Above all, I guess it's the fact that the new piece is a touch larger. I wish TS would cut production. It would give his customers more confidence to go for the newer pieces. Going off on a tangent I actually think the first gen 5270G is the nicest of the whole bunch.

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