116710 LN Stick Dial GMT??

[Zoran]

Hi Guys,

Surfing the net, I came across this add for sale...
They are asking 2000€ more for this model....Because of the Stick Dial

Anybody seen anything like this?
Can we expect another "hype" for the stick dial?

[padi56]

There is no such thing as a stick dial only in the internet hype and the fools who pay extra for little more than a simple slight font change.And these types of watches its very doubtful if they will see any more value than any other 16710 of the same condition and age.

[Zoran]

Originally Posted by padi56

There is no such thing as a stick dial only in the internet hype and the fools who pay extra for little more than a simple slight font change.And these types of watches its very doubtful if they will see any more value than any other 16710 of the same condition and age.

I fully agree with you Peter, and most of us look at it that way.
Hence the "*" around the word hype

However, we also have to agree that not everything is logical in the horological scene

[Roller07]

Stick dial?

It looks like a normal 116710 to me.

I don't get it.

[bp1000]

Originally Posted by Roller07

Stick dial?

It looks like a normal 116710 to me.

I don't get it.

He's referring to the II in gmt master 2 on the dial

Normally it's roman but on 2007 watches and very late 2006 it was sticks ||

And obviously that adjustment made it through to ceramic watches too.

A premium was placed on the very last run aluminium bezel gmt 2 by some due to the stick dial and updated movement that is used in the ceramic model - the internet thought that a different dial and latest movement in the last year of production of the old case gmt made it unique hence the price inflation

[Roller07]

Originally Posted by bp1000

He's referring to the II in gmt master 2 on the dial

Normally it's roman but on 2007 watches and very late 2006 it was sticks ||

And obviously that adjustment made it through to ceramic watches too.

A premium was placed on the very last run aluminium bezel gmt 2 by some due to the stick dial and updated movement that is used in the ceramic model - the internet thought that a different dial and latest movement in the last year of production of the old case gmt made it unique hence the price inflation

Thanks for the clarification.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by bp1000

He's referring to the II in gmt master 2 on the dial

Normally it's roman but on 2007 watches and very late 2006 it was sticks ||

And obviously that adjustment made it through to ceramic watches too.

A premium was placed on the very last run aluminium bezel gmt 2 by some due to the stick dial and updated movement that is used in the ceramic model - the internet thought that a different dial and latest movement in the last year of production of the old case gmt made it unique hence the price inflation

But having the so called stick dial does not guarantee it will have the slightly modded 3185 into a 3186.And quite a few reports of the weakness in the early modded dedent gear with quite a few back to Rolex for repair.Now you can sometimes tell whether its got a 3185 or modded 3186.The main difference for one full crown turn on 3185 third hand will jump around 5 hours on 3186 around 8 hours and that it.But the only way to be 100% sure is get the back off and who is going to do that, myself would much prefer the 3185 it has no known faults.

[watchwatcher]

Hmm...that's a new one on me. Learn something every day.

[Angrypuppy]

Sans serif.

I wouldn't pay an extra two bucks.

[WAK4]

Saw that with the 16710 models as well...often referred to as "error dial" with a premium attached. Figure its speculation that collectors will care and pay in the future. I personally wouldn't pay for it.

[Speed]

Gazillions of Threads on this topic. Do a search and get the full scoop. I'd pass.

[bp1000]

Originally Posted by padi56

But having the so called stick dial does not guarantee it will have the slightly modded 3185 into a 3186.And quite a few reports of the weakness in the early modded dedent gear with quite a few back to Rolex for repair.Now you can sometimes tell whether its got a 3185 or modded 3186.The main difference for one full crown turn on 3185 third hand will jump around 5 hours on 3186 around 8 hours and that it.But the only way to be 100% sure is get the back off and who is going to do that, myself would much prefer the 3185 it has no known faults.

Thanks for the further detailed clarification

I remember reading about these dials but the details were hazy.

Indeed the stick dial doesn't guarantee the updated movement

What the internet stir doesn't consider or conveniently covers over is rolex are changing dials all the time, maybe not to the inexperienced eye.

[Psmith]

Fonts change from time to time - t'was ever thus.
Much like the way fools and their money are parted

[DVR]

Originally Posted by bp1000

He's referring to the II in gmt master 2 on the dial

Normally it's roman but on 2007 watches and very late 2006 it was sticks ||

And obviously that adjustment made it through to ceramic watches too.

A premium was placed on the very last run aluminium bezel gmt 2 by some due to the stick dial and updated movement that is used in the ceramic model - the internet thought that a different dial and latest movement in the last year of production of the old case gmt made it unique hence the price inflation

Originally Posted by Roller07

Thanks for the clarification.

And that clarification is mostly wrong. So off we go with more misinformation.

[Zoran]

Well, for some reason nobody has managed to answer my question so far.

My question breaks down to this: Has anybody seen this type of font change on the current Ceramic line of the GMT? Not referring to the 16710 and the whole discussion around the "rarity" of the stick dial, nor whether it had a 3186 calibre.
We all know this model has the 3186, so that is not the issue here.

Let's also agree that this is not worth a premium, and let's keep the 16710's and their premiums for certain models aside.

I am doubtful of the fact that this is a legitimate configuration on this particular model.

Thanks for chiming in!

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Zoran

Well, for some reason nobody has managed to answer my question so far.

I have to say that I have not been paying that much attention to the minor variances in the later GMT II dials..

However, it simply breaks out as the traditional Mk1, Mk2, MK3, and so on, as those with lots of time on their hands have broken down almost all the popular models. There is absolutely no reason at this point in time to give this dial variance any premium or even any thought beyond any other dial variance.

[Z-Sub]

Interesting find.

First time seeing this on ceramic model.

[Wesley Crusher]

Vintage or modern, I cannot believe people care about this stuff.

[Zoran]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

Vintage or modern, I cannot believe people care about this stuff.

Exactly!
Or for a Fat 4, or Oval "o", or a "floating dial", or Green writing Deepsea on a dial, or Red writing, or any trivial writing of any kind on a dial

[shou.biao.kuang]

Originally Posted by Zoran

Has anybody seen this type of font change on the current Ceramic line of the GMT?

I am doubtful of the fact that this is a legitimate configuration on this particular model.

Thanks for chiming in!

Hi Zoran,

Whilst researching on this model, I came across a few examples of the so-call "Error Dial" on the 116610LN, and have personally seen one physically in Singapore before it was sold by a dealer here.

Here is the link: http://www.athena.sg/sold.php?subcat=270

I have noted that the dealer placed a premium on this "Error Dial" too. I will post the other link later when I found it. It was sold by an Aussie dealer I think

Hope this adds to the mystery of the "Error" or "Stick" dial on the 116710LN. Will it ever command the attention and premium of the 16710 (affectionately know as the 16710-3186) "Error" or "Stick" dial and 3186 movement? only time will tell...

There are two interesting variants in this model that many didn't take notice of thus far but for those who "hate" all this minor dial and movement variance, please don't me ok? LOL

[shou.biao.kuang]

Originally Posted by Zoran

Hi Guys,

Surfing the net, I came across this add for sale...
They are asking 2000€ more for this model....Because of the Stick Dial

Anybody seen anything like this?
Can we expect another "hype" for the stick dial?

Hi Zoran,

You have the link to this sales site? thanks...

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

Vintage or modern, I cannot believe people care about this stuff.

Exactly. I can't even see a date without the cyclops, so this is absolute nonsense to me.

[Zoran]

Originally Posted by shou.biao.kuang

Hi Zoran,

You have the link to this sales site? thanks...

Hi Sam, this is the link...I hope it is OK to post it here
https://www.chrono24.nl/rolex/gmt-ma...arch/index.htm

[Zoran]

Originally Posted by shou.biao.kuang

Hi Zoran,

Whilst researching on this model, I came across a few examples of the so-call "Error Dial" on the 116610LN, and have personally seen one physically in Singapore before it was sold by a dealer here.

Here is the link: http://www.athena.sg/sold.php?subcat=270

I have noted that the dealer placed a premium on this "Error Dial" too. I will post the other link later when I found it. It was sold by an Aussie dealer I think

Hope this adds to the mystery of the "Error" or "Stick" dial on the 116710LN. Will it ever command the attention and premium of the 16710 (affectionately know as the 16710-3186) "Error" or "Stick" dial and 3186 movement? only time will tell...

There are two interesting variants in this model that many didn't take notice of thus far but for those who "hate" all this minor dial and movement variance, please don't me ok? LOL

Hi Sam,
Thanks for the info!
I don't believe this difference in font justifies the premium. Same as with the 16710 stick dial. There were just too many made, and still too many available.
I don't consider it an error dial for the same reason.
Some people do, and I am fine with that. Thank god for difference in opinion's, or the world would be a boring place

Have a great evening!

[Tools]

Rolex has been making serif and sans-serif dial fonts for decades, certainly before they began to make a big deal of the late 16710's..

Here's a Sans-serif GMT ceramic

[Silvio Mosiello]

I am never surprised at what people make a big deal about on " rare watches" just like a flat 4 on a 16610lv. Seriously how could someone care. To each their own..

[carreramay]

Originally Posted by bp1000

He's referring to the II in gmt master 2 on the dial

Normally it's roman but on 2007 watches and very late 2006 it was sticks ||

And obviously that adjustment made it through to ceramic watches too.

A premium was placed on the very last run aluminium bezel gmt 2 by some due to the stick dial and updated movement that is used in the ceramic model - the internet thought that a different dial and latest movement in the last year of production of the old case gmt made it unique hence the price inflation

Originally Posted by Roller07

Thanks for the clarification.

Originally Posted by DVR

And that clarification is mostly wrong. So off we go with more misinformation.

Don't just knock someone and run..... what is "mostly wrong" and what is the correct information.

[MortgageGuy]

Originally Posted by Tools

Rolex has been making serif and sans-serif dial fonts for decades, certainly before they began to make a big deal of the late 16710's..

Here's a Sans-serif GMT ceramic

Awesome pic Larry!

[shou.biao.kuang]

Originally Posted by Zoran

Hi Sam, this is the link...I hope it is OK to post it here
https://www.chrono24.nl/rolex/gmt-ma...arch/index.htm

Hi Zoran,

Thanks for the link...

[shou.biao.kuang]

Originally Posted by carreramay

Don't just knock someone and run..... what is "mostly wrong" and what is the correct information.

Yap. DVR should clarify what he reckoned was wrong or misinformation, to be fair to the person who posted those information...