Beware Faingator not a great seller

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by mjm800

Well OK I can respect that and I hope you will respect that I will never even consider buying from you.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[kareemthedream33]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

I'm not sure what is more of a shame, the way this is being handled or the fact that this very prolific seller has not contributed even $25 to pledge and support the forum that has made him a great deal of money. I'm not sure why Steve allows that. The ability to post in the sales forum should be a privilege of forum patrons only, IMHO. It's only fair.
BTW, of your last 250 posts, zero were related to anything but sales. It's clear why you're here.

Totally agree, I have nothing else to add.

[Mosco]

I'd like to say, as a seller, i'm somewhat disappointed by this.

Gasman, please send the watch to my office (will PM you address) and we will have the watch regulated by Mr. Charlie Cleeves, no charge naturally. Will do my best to get it to you as quickly as possibe. If you need reassurance that your baby is safe with me, I'm sure you will find it here

[witch watch]

Originally Posted by BH13GMT

Am i missing something or do I recall the Op stating the case wasnt quite as described. The issue seems to be more than the watch needing regulation.

He did and he has stated that he was willing to let that slide as long as the watch was running correctly. For me the fact the watch was dinged and not described as such would have me returning it as soon as i had got it.

Hopefully there will be a happy ending for both here but i have to say the sellers responce has put me off considering future purchases from him.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by Mosco

I'd like to say, as a seller, i'm somewhat disappointed by this.

Gasman, please send the watch to my office (will PM you address) and we will have the watch regulated by Mr. Charlie Cleeves, no charge naturally. Will do my best to get it to you as quickly as possibe. If you need reassurance that your baby is safe with me, I'm sure you will find it here

Is this a seller who KNOWS how to treat a customer or what.

PS. I bought a watch from a private party last night with some hairline scratches, can I send it to you?

[sleddog]

Originally Posted by Mosco

I'd like to say, as a seller, i'm somewhat disappointed by this.

Gasman, please send the watch to my office (will PM you address) and we will have the watch regulated by Mr. Charlie Cleeves, no charge naturally. Will do my best to get it to you as quickly as possibe. If you need reassurance that your baby is safe with me, I'm sure you will find it here

As always Greg, a true gentleman!!

[Ebruner]

Originally Posted by faingator

I have been a TRF member since Nov 2009. I've conducted myself as required by the rules of the forum. I post periodically to the general forums, sell, and buy watches here on TRF. I've communicated with some extremely nice members. I've never been rude or disrespectfully to anyone on the forum.

I described a pre-owned watch as accurately as I could. I timed the watch and it was +2 in a 24 hr period. This information was given to the buyer prior to the sale. Any question the buyer had prior to the sale, he asked and I answered.

IMO, the watch I sold is working fine. If the buyer wants to regulate the watch to his specification, he has every right to do that but he should bare the cost.

You may want to mark this exact moment in time down as the instant you watch flipping business died.

-Eddie

[689maple]

Originally Posted by Mosco

I'd like to say, as a seller, i'm somewhat disappointed by this.

Gasman, please send the watch to my office (will PM you address) and we will have the watch regulated by Mr. Charlie Cleeves, no charge naturally. Will do my best to get it to you as quickly as possibe. If you need reassurance that your baby is safe with me, I'm sure you will find it here

What a gentlemanly thing to do. You may be certain I will check with you when I buy another watch.

[mjm800]

Originally Posted by Mosco

I'd like to say, as a seller, i'm somewhat disappointed by this.

Gasman, please send the watch to my office (will PM you address) and we will have the watch regulated by Mr. Charlie Cleeves, no charge naturally. Will do my best to get it to you as quickly as possibe. If you need reassurance that your baby is safe with me, I'm sure you will find it here

Wow what a gesture my hat off to you sir!

[witch watch]

Originally Posted by mjm800

Wow what a gesture my hat off to you sir!

+ 1

[Kanger]

Originally Posted by dr.brian

i'm not sure what is more of a shame, the way this is being handled or the fact that this very prolific seller has not contributed even $25 to pledge and support the forum that has made him a great deal of money. I'm not sure why steve allows that. The ability to post in the sales forum should be a privilege of forum patrons only, imho. It's only fair.
Btw, of your last 250 posts, zero were related to anything but sales. It's clear why you're here.

+100

[Dr.Brian]

Other than the timing issue, which could just be a bad luck knock during shipping, there were undisclosed defects. No resolution there either.

It's strange, I don't sell anything at all, but I would try harder to maintain my good reputation than this prolific seller has.
Maybe he's going out of business.

[Kapture1]

I am in sales, and if their was an issue with the products I sold, I get to show the real reason they bought From me in the first place.... SERVICE.

How much would splitting the cost of a regulation really cost you? In my time I've had to step up and pay out of my own pocket to make things right. Then again, I like to sleep at night. I have looked at some of your watches in the past, and came really close to buying a Sub from you a few months ago. By stepping up and making this right, you might cement yourself as a trusted seller in the face of an issue that has been made public.

You have been given the chance to resolve this issue in front of possible future buyers, yet you won't.....

[chicagofan]

Originally Posted by Mosco

I'd like to say, as a seller, i'm somewhat disappointed by this.

Gasman, please send the watch to my office (will PM you address) and we will have the watch regulated by Mr. Charlie Cleeves, no charge naturally. Will do my best to get it to you as quickly as possibe. If you need reassurance that your baby is safe with me, I'm sure you will find it here

What a generous and fantastic offer! I wonder from whom I'd be more likely to buy a watch, Mosco or Faingator?

[Kokyuryoku]

Originally Posted by Brit78

I must admit, this post really struck me. While I am merely expressing my own opinion, I personally think that if you use this fine community for business purposes, as I occasionally do, it is only fair/right to contribute. Just my $0.02.

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

I'm not sure what is more of a shame, the way this is being handled or the fact that this very prolific seller has not contributed even $25 to pledge and support the forum that has made him a great deal of money. I'm not sure why Steve allows that. The ability to post in the sales forum should be a privilege of forum patrons only, IMHO. It's only fair.
BTW, of your last 250 posts, zero were related to anything but sales. It's clear why you're here.

These are very good points. Maybe before you can buy and sell you should have to pledge. It's not much, but it is a clear sign that you support this forum and its members

Originally Posted by Mosco

I'd like to say, as a seller, i'm somewhat disappointed by this.

Gasman, please send the watch to my office (will PM you address) and we will have the watch regulated by Mr. Charlie Cleeves, no charge naturally. Will do my best to get it to you as quickly as possibe. If you need reassurance that your baby is safe with me, I'm sure you will find it here

This is exactly the response I would expect from one of TRF's most beloved sellers and contributors. Pure class

[__ma]

As a minimum the seller should cover the fee for repair and be aware the buyer has rights.

[kareemthedream33]

Honesty, this thread is like watching a train-wreck. I'm horrified, feel bad, but I can't look away.

[Mosco]

Stop guys, I appreciate it, but this isn't some publicity thing. A wrong needs righted.

And - sorry - guess I should mention that Charlie Cleeves is an extremely respected independent, who happens to be within driving distance of my office.

[Kapture1]

Originally Posted by Mosco

I'd like to say, as a seller, i'm somewhat disappointed by this.

Gasman, please send the watch to my office (will PM you address) and we will have the watch regulated by Mr. Charlie Cleeves, no charge naturally. Will do my best to get it to you as quickly as possibe. If you need reassurance that your baby is safe with me, I'm sure you will find it here

Gator, take notes. This is what it means to be a good guy.

Ever heard of under promise and over deliver?

[sleddog]

Originally Posted by faingator

I have been a TRF member since Nov 2009. I've conducted myself as required by the rules of the forum. I post periodically to the general forums, sell, and buy watches here on TRF. I've communicated with some extremely nice members. I've never been rude or disrespectfully to anyone on the forum.

I described a pre-owned watch as accurately as I could. I timed the watch and it was +2 in a 24 hr period. This information was given to the buyer prior to the sale. Any question the buyer had prior to the sale, he asked and I answered.

IMO, the watch I sold is working fine. If the buyer wants to regulate the watch to his specification, he has every right to do that but he should bare the cost.

A disappointing reply/response....
It is your prerogative, but I believe you just shot yourself in the foot!

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

Everyone remember to keep it as polite as possible.

You are all welcome to give your opinions though. Me, I'd have refunded by now.My reputation (such that it may be) is more important than a couple of quid/bucks.

I'd like to reiterate this.....Keep it above board and stay on the high road with the responses and it'll be allowed to continue!

Originally Posted by 689maple

What a gentlemanly thing to do. You may be certain I will check with you when I buy another watch.

You'll be hard pressed to find such a fair and honest seller as Greg!! (+ a couple of others!)

[ally]

It seems like the buyer has lost faith in the seller which is a shame as I am sure it could have been resolved with a bit of give & take on both sides

[gasman94]

First, let me say thank you to this forum. I wasn't exactly sure how a person with zero posts would be greeted while complaining about a well known seller on this site. You all have been very welcoming and I look forward to spending more time here.

I figure I have gotten about as far as I am going to get with Richard. I am glad that the truth is now out there so others will not have the same experience.

Greg, thank you for your generous offer. I will be in touch via pm soon.

Gasman

[Dr.Brian]

Originally Posted by ally

It seems like the buyer has lost faith in the seller which is a shame as I am sure it could have been resolved with a bit of give & take on both sides

I think the buyer lost faith in the seller when the watch arrived with defects not described, and actually denied, and in need of a regulation. Hope of agreement probably went out the window when the seller asked for a letter from Rolex identifying the timing issues.
My reply would have been, "sorry, I don't know how I missed the dings. Send it back immediately if you're not satisfied.". Or maybe offer a reasonable monetary concession as an alternative.

[britincali]

This.....

Originally Posted by faingator

I have been a TRF member since Nov 2009. I've conducted myself as required by the rules of the forum. I post periodically to the general forums, sell, and buy watches here on TRF. I've communicated with some extremely nice members. I've never been rude or disrespectfully to anyone on the forum.

I described a pre-owned watch as accurately as I could. I timed the watch and it was +2 in a 24 hr period. This information was given to the buyer prior to the sale. Any question the buyer had prior to the sale, he asked and I answered.

IMO, the watch I sold is working fine. If the buyer wants to regulate the watch to his specification, he has every right to do that but he should bare the cost.

Should be....



I am very sorry your unhappy with your purchase I will more than happily refund your money in full plus shipping.

[labguy]

Exactly.

I just hope all of the folks on TZ and watchuseek know exactly what kind of seller this poerson is.

Originally Posted by britincali

This.....





Should be....



I am very sorry your unhappy with your purchase I will more than happily refund your money in full plus shipping.

[MonBK]

With all the cards now on the table I have a question for the powers to be.

Suppose this seller continuous to sell on this forum and as not many members gets down to this section to read about this wouldn't it be beneficial to have some kind of warning/attention next to his name?

I was thinking something like: If you buy from me and something goes wrong, you're on your own as I don't stand behind my products.

[kareemthedream33]

Originally Posted by MonBK

With all the cards now on the table I have a question for the powers to be.

Suppose this seller continuous to sell on this forum and as not many members gets down to this section to read about this wouldn't it be beneficial to have some kind of warning/attention next to his name?

I was thinking something like: If you buy from me and something goes wrong, you're on your own as I don't stand behind my products.

I was wondering the same thing.

[Brit78]

Originally Posted by Mosco

I'd like to say, as a seller, i'm somewhat disappointed by this.

Gasman, please send the watch to my office (will PM you address) and we will have the watch regulated by Mr. Charlie Cleeves, no charge naturally. Will do my best to get it to you as quickly as possibe. If you need reassurance that your baby is safe with me, I'm sure you will find it here

That's the Greg I know and love! First class all the way. For what it's worth, I use Charlie personally and he does great work! Mark Theken and Dan Pierce can attest to this as well.

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by MonBK

With all the cards now on the table I have a question for the powers to be.

Suppose this seller continuous to sell on this forum and as not many members gets down to this section to read about this wouldn't it be beneficial to have some kind of warning/attention next to his name?

I was thinking something like: If you buy from me and something goes wrong, you're on your own as I don't stand behind my products.

I've already removed his current offerings.

We have to consider the well being of the membership.

As for future listings ... we'll cross that bridge at the point that he feels that it's appropriate to list any.

[spuds]

Originally Posted by faingator

I have been a TRF member since Nov 2009. I've conducted myself as required by the rules of the forum. I post periodically to the general forums, sell, and buy watches here on TRF. I've communicated with some extremely nice members. I've never been rude or disrespectfully to anyone on the forum.

I described a pre-owned watch as accurately as I could. I timed the watch and it was +2 in a 24 hr period. This information was given to the buyer prior to the sale. Any question the buyer had prior to the sale, he asked and I answered.

IMO, the watch I sold is working fine. If the buyer wants to regulate the watch to his specification, he has every right to do that but he should bare the cost.

Originally Posted by Ebruner

You may want to mark this exact moment in time down as the instant you watch flipping business died.

-Eddie

x 2.

Originally Posted by Mosco

I'd like to say, as a seller, i'm somewhat disappointed by this.

Gasman, please send the watch to my office (will PM you address) and we will have the watch regulated by Mr. Charlie Cleeves, no charge naturally. Will do my best to get it to you as quickly as possibe. If you need reassurance that your baby is safe with me, I'm sure you will find it here

Greg mate despite your Will-esque t-shirts you're clearly an honourable gentleman & I genuinely look forward to buying from you some day.