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Old 7 June 2019, 01:29 PM   #1
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EBAY...... Alwha24

Better to be safe than sorry from this delinquent.

Its got all the tel tale signs of a scammer.

I enquired about the sub via a number on the last pic on the ad. Prior to ringing him I had already sent him a message via ebay. Over the phone we had a good chat and agreed a price, 6.5k and meet in a WoS in Cardiff. He said he would text me within 20 mins of the terms of our deal just so we are all on the same page. I thought perfect. Btw the ad had only been on a matter of minutes. I called the mrs and she was up for a drive up the m4.

The first worrying sign was he did not have WhatsApp..... I added his number to my phone book and nothing came up (benefit of the doubt)

Next thing I get is a message via ebay, its our man offering me the sub at 6.3k.......Im thinking, his given me all the honest John talk etc and now he wants to sell me the same watch thinking its someone else for £200 less, I messaged back saying 6k take it or leave it. So now he agrees and says he wants a smooth transaction etc.

20 minutes has become now 3+ hrs and message him asking for a confirmation for tomorrow. He replies saying he will get back to me shortly.

Now I start to do some investigating on his ebay add and account. First flag was, no sign of a warranty card. Second, every pic has the top half of the box cut off. Third, only 4 feedback and one of the feedback was from a seller who sold rolex boxes (fakes obviously).

Hypothetically his selling me a rolex at 6.5k and me again via ebay at 6k......interesting.

Now I get a text of the confirmation of the location. He decided to change the location to some watch shop in a outlet retail park rather than WoS in Cardiff........"watch station International" . He said they were an AD. I had never heard of them so googled it.........no ad status and they sell high street watches, armani etc(I have nothing against it). If it was a grey I would not have had an issue with it. I messaged him back asking politely to meet at the original location......... By this point I wasn't going to purchase the piece as there were too many flags. He messages me back saying take it or leave it as he can sell it to 30 people. I politely mentioned my ebay id and said is he one of the 30......lol

Appologies if its brief and not worded correctly, just wanted it out there ASAP incase someone gets burnt.


Ps.... Writing this after a 12hr shift so be polite.

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Old 30 August 2019, 11:30 PM   #2
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I would say well avoided. Can't publish more here.

Please contact me if anyone has had problems relating to the names :

Alan Whatley / Whatlee

Layton Spinks

Location : Pontprennau and other parts of Cardiff, UK.

Google "Layton Spinks Rolex" . . . or just "Layton Spinks" for a wider view of his celebrated past.

Phone number and email both seem to connect them.
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Old 31 August 2019, 12:14 AM   #3
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Your “fair warning” is usually more helpful when you share the eBay link.

But just the behavior is worth steering clear as Haywood opined.


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Old 31 August 2019, 12:20 AM   #4
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Your “fair warning” is usually more helpful when you share the eBay link.

But just the behavior is worth steering clear as Haywood opined.


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This is from june...
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Old 31 August 2019, 02:16 AM   #5
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Seller is now offering fake, blank Rolex warranty cards :

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Unused-Bl...4AAOSwd7RdZFZr
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Old 31 August 2019, 02:18 AM   #6
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Your “fair warning” is usually more helpful when you share the eBay link.

But just the behavior is worth steering clear as Haywood opined.


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I know much more about this case than I will publish here at the moment.
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Old 31 August 2019, 02:19 AM   #7
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Seller is now offering fake, blank Rolex warranty cards :

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Unused-Bl...4AAOSwd7RdZFZr


And has a stack of them!

This is so disheartening. How many people are going to get their hard earned money swindled by a piece of shit thief with a fake warranty card and a fake ass watch.



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Old 31 August 2019, 02:29 AM   #8
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Hang the........so and so

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This is from june...


Yes, I know...but the warning from Haywood also had no eBay details up until I posted.

While I agree we don’t need to dissect fakes here - we do need to ID the sketchy sellers or this is futile.


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Old 31 August 2019, 02:30 AM   #10
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EBAY...... Alwha24

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Seller is now offering fake, blank Rolex warranty cards :

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Unused-Bl...4AAOSwd7RdZFZr


Thanks friend.

It appears that seller: alwha24 is a junk dealer or pawnbroker from his other items.


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Old 31 August 2019, 02:31 AM   #11
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I know much more about this case than I will publish here at the moment.
Your PM box is full......

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Old 31 August 2019, 05:42 AM   #12
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Your PM box is full......

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Yes, I leave it thus as there was no other way to deal with the majority of inane messages asking whether someone should buy this or that, which model is better, what do I think prices will do, if I could “just look over a watch for me” and so on.

This “laziness filter” works well. Those who need to find me will do so ;-)
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Old 31 August 2019, 05:44 AM   #13
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Thanks friend.

It appears that seller: alwha24 is a junk dealer or pawnbroker from his other items.


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Pawnbroking here is very different from what you might experience in colonial parts.

I can tell you that he is definitely NOT a pawnbroker.
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Haywood, there must be some sort of Superhero badge available for you.
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Seller is now offering fake, blank Rolex warranty cards :

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Unused-Bl...4AAOSwd7RdZFZr
Just saw this - reported and should be removed
Please feel free to PM me any ebay counterfeit items or sellers, I will do my best to get removed
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Old 4 September 2019, 02:05 AM   #16
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Just saw this - reported and should be removed
Please feel free to PM me any ebay counterfeit items or sellers, I will do my best to get removed
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I had already reported it about a week ago....
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I had already reported it about a week ago....
It was there this morning - so I reported.
Its gone now
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Wouldn't it be irritating if LAYTON SPINKS were still actively trying to sell SuperFakes such as Hulks, in person and / or on GumTree, with genuine accessories / fake receipts and warranty cards, even using a fake driving licence in the name of ALAN WHATLEY?

I think it would.
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Probably the same guy that tried to sell me a John Voight LeBaron.
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Wouldn't it be irritating if LAYTON SPINKS were still actively trying to sell SuperFakes such as Hulks, in person and / or on GumTree, with genuine accessories / fake receipts and warranty cards, even using a fake driving licence in the name of ALAN WHATLEY?

I think it would.
Rather troublesome fella apparently.
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Probably the same guy that tried to sell me a John Voight LeBaron.
And A Seinfeld Reference, Beautiful! LOL...
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Layton Spinks / Alan Whatley at it again in Manchester this week....

Look out for fake Submariner numbered 1839U9N5-116610LN, complete with genuine box, booklet and swing-tag but fake warranty card and Harrods EPOS / credit card receipts.
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Layton Spinks- Alan Whatley
Today was dealing with this fraudster purchasing a Starbucks. Only when the bank details didn’t match the account name did I twig. I was seconds away from sending hard earned cash over.
Good job my 6th sense kicked in.
He’s still scamming people on Facebook.
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Layton Spinks- Alan Whatley
Today was dealing with this fraudster purchasing a Starbucks. Only when the bank details didn’t match the account name did I twig. I was seconds away from sending hard earned cash over.
Good job my 6th sense kicked in.
He’s still scamming people on Facebook.
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Glad you realised he was a crook in time. Would you be willing to share more details? While I lost only about £30 worth of Rolex accessories myself to him, I've been following this idiot with Safergems, the UK jewellery trade security body. It's long been time he was caught and convicted (again).

If you're willing to share more info, please ask for me through info@miltons.co.uk -- that's my general website contact address, but the message will reach me and I will respond directly.

Thankyou,

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