Thoughts on this Blue Tudor Sub 94110

[WristEnvy]

Hi,

A friend of a good friend is offering to sell me his blue Tudor Sub 94110 for a reasonable price. What a guy! He purchased it from eBay from a reputable seller that claims the watch is 100%, insert, hands, and dial are original. Lugs look to be in decent shape and may have been polished lightly in the past. No service history.

The serial number is 845xxx. Which is a birth year watch for me.

If I proceed I'll probably get it serviced and pressure tested at ABC the next time I'm in socal unless anyway has a good recommendation for a watchmaker in the sf bay area.

I'll try to get a better pic of the dial. The camera on my Nexus blows.









Any thoughts and feedback on this piece is greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

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[WristEnvy]

Another pic of the dial and insert.

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[Gina Marie]

Acne dial. Some love 'em and some hate 'em. I am not a fan. It is an unstable dial which will continue to degrade as you expose it to wear. Hands look original as does the insert. I thought this was a 9411/0. The 94110s don't have the acne issue. I think this watch sold last week on eBay so you can check pricing there.

[Gina Marie]

5250 was the cost. I think case is virgin. This is as nice an acne dial as I have seen but the dial is the killer for me. Kind of like the nicest rusty classic car.....looks great but has rust and will continue to get worse.

[alwayshere]

Looks good but are you sure its Blue?

Looks like a faded black Tudor - maybe I need to get my eyes checked haha

[Vincent65]

You'll need to post better and clearer pics of the dial, but it looks OK.
Doesn't look too blistered to me, from those blurry photos...

[jdog111578]

Looks like a pretty fair specimen and depending on the price, I would personally pull the trigger. Guards are still in good shape and the 702 is nice to still see there. Case has been polished but not overly done. You can still see wear marks from the end links on the underneath. Its most certainly a blue as the black did not usually tend to flake or pit or whatever term you like to use. This was due to paint issues at the factories. The insert has faded really nicely and goes well with the hands. Those have aged slightly lighter and though may have been replaced at some point, it isn't uncommon for these to patina at different rates. The dial is in good shape regardless of the blistering and has seen plenty of time in the sun IMO as you can see the script turning a slight yellow as opposed to the usual crisp white normally seen. Nice tophat crystal with no real cracks or anything that I can see in these pics. Overall, a really fine example in my opinion.

[jdog111578]

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[Paul]

I have this one available ...

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by jdog111578

Looks like a pretty fair specimen and depending on the price, I would personally pull the trigger. Guards are still in good shape and the 702 is nice to still see there. Case has been polished but not overly done. You can still see wear marks from the end links on the underneath. Its most certainly a blue as the black did not usually tend to flake or pit or whatever term you like to use. This was due to paint issues at the factories. The insert has faded really nicely and goes well with the hands. Those have aged slightly lighter and though may have been replaced at some point, it isn't uncommon for these to patina at different rates. The dial is in good shape regardless of the blistering and has seen plenty of time in the sun IMO as you can see the script turning a slight yellow as opposed to the usual crisp white normally seen. Nice tophat crystal with no real cracks or anything that I can see in these pics. Overall, a really fine example in my opinion.

Not correct - the "rotting" of the tudor submariner dials are dependent on dial manufacturer. The rotting occurs on both black and blue dials for this model.

Its only the latter dials (not made by Beyler) that held up better. The font is also distinctively different between the two.

[jdog111578]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

Not correct - the "rotting" of the tudor submariner dials are dependent on dial manufacturer. The rotting occurs on both black and blue dials for this model.

Its only the latter dials (not made by Beyler) that held up better. The font is also distinctively different between the two.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but statistically speaking, most of the issues you see are with the blue dials.

[Gina Marie]

I have noticed an equal number of each color. Seems the flaw did not discriminate. Does anyone know of a dial archive so we can see the different nuances between the different years and models?

[WristEnvy]

Here's a better pic. I just got a new Samsung Galaxy Note 7. Lol.

Anyways the watch is mine now. This is my first foray into vintage and I'm pretty happy with it and glad to finally find a birth year watch. Thanks for the feedback!

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[Gina Marie]

Welcome to the club....it is warm out here but it is snowing inside.

[harry in montreal]

It's a nice watch! I like a bit of wear on my vintage. I agree that the rot seems common in the 7021s and less in the 9411s. I don't note that the blue dials fare better. It seems unusual to find super clean 7021s. Generally when I see a very clean blue sub, I just assume she's a 9411

[J!m]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

Looks good but are you sure its Blue?

Looks like a faded black Tudor - maybe I need to get my eyes checked haha

Black dials do not rot in my opinion. The service dials (which don't rot) are slightly lighter blue as well. I have a blue dial, with rot, that was sold to me as black. I had another blue dial I sold which the buyer thought it was black when he received it. I suspect the "black" dials with rot were in actual fact blue ones mid-identified. Sometimes they need to be side-by-side to tell, or out in the bright sun. But now that I know what they look like, I can usually tell from a decent photo.

I'll see if I have a side by side and upload it... (Yes I know that's an aftermarket blue insert!)

[J!m]

Originally Posted by WristEnvy

Here's a better pic. I just got a new Samsung Galaxy Note 7. Lol.

Anyways the watch is mine now. This is my first foray into vintage and I'm pretty happy with it and glad to finally find a birth year watch. Thanks for the feedback!

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I need to see the date wheel better. It appears to have serifs, which is good. But I can't tell if it is white or silver- it should be silver.

Insert and bezel look good to me, as does the dial of course. All the replacement blue dials I have seen have issues that your dial does it have. Plus you have rot. That cannot be replicated so I prefer it so I KNOW I have a genuine dial. Plus the fakes all have "singer" on the back and singer did not make these dials...

[J!m]

Originally Posted by Gina Marie

I have noticed an equal number of each color. Seems the flaw did not discriminate. Does anyone know of a dial archive so we can see the different nuances between the different years and models?

Not to be argumentative but please see my side by side. A black and blue dial, same maker and (approximate) vintage. Note printing is exactly the same- fonts and sizing. Blue is rotted; black is not.

I have yet to see any photos (or better in person) of a rotted black dial.

[J!m]

And by the way, some of you may have noticed my blue has no hands. I need a minute hand if you have one, and also an insert (and a old 125 top hat but that is less important). I prefer one not as faded as the OP's but will consider any genuine one.

[jmsjabb]

Let's not fall out over rot. It is well documented that both black and blue dials were prone. Google throws up images too.
Congrats on a cool birth year.
I know how you feel, here is my 1974:



We are still learning until the day we die. Let's spread the knowledge.

[J!m]

No fall out here.
Ill check google images now but I still have never seen a rotted black dial. Only blue.

[Gina Marie]

No birth years for me. A 68 7016 and a 76 94010. Cheers!

[WristEnvy]

Originally Posted by Gina Marie

No birth years for me. A 68 7016 and a 76 94010. Cheers!

That's an awesome pair! Thx for sharing!

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[Gina Marie]

Thanks....just got the 94010 on Thursday.