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9 May 2017, 03:48 AM | #1 |
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Rolex 16760 Fat Lady Dial Variations
I have a particular fondness for the lesser common versions of watch models and am a research-aholic. So, having a Fat Lady that I've obtained form its original owner in my collection has led me into hours upon hours of research and compiling information about this obscure reference.
I have read "Orchi's" thread about the 16760 dial variations many times and feel that there is another variation that he didn't cover. https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=76416 Mk1 Dial "No date" (1983/84) Very rare first year production with "OYSTER PERPETUAL" estimated 8.3-8.4m serial number range. Notice the rounded "G" on "GMT MASTER II" and the tall coronet. Also, the "I" in "SWISS" does not line up directly above the 31min mark. The following are 8.4m serial dials: Mk2 Dial approx 8.4m to 9.43m (1984/85-1986) This dial variation includes "OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE" and tall coronet. Notice that the rounded "G" in "GMT MASTER II" Also, the "I" in "SWISS" does not line up directly above the 31min mark. The following is a model from 1985: 9.42m serial (1986) (sorry about the rotation, I can't seem to get it straight): Mk3 Dial Approx 9.46m to R serial (late 1986 to 1988/89) Somewhere between the 9.42m and 9.46m serial ranges the dial seems to have changed to a shorter crown and a and different font on the "G" in "GMT MASTER II". This dial variation is very similar (possibly identical) to the dial in the first generation tritium dial of the 16710. Note also, the "I" in "SWISS" now lines up directly above the 31min mark. The following is a 9.46m serial (1986): 1987 model: As I continue my findings I will attempt to close in the serial ranges where the changes appear to occur. As for the possible MK 4 dial (the one Orchi refers to as the MK3) where the SCOC fonts are serif fonts, I have not seen definite evidence to support this variation but I won't rule it out yet as a possible fourth variation. Thanks
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Any idea which mk or variation is featured on the service dials?
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9 May 2017, 04:27 AM | #3 |
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Well the luminova service dials are a beast of their own and pretty clear being marked "SWISS MADE" . I have also seen a version where the "SWISS-T<25" is lined up slightly different. I haven't researched this variation yet and am not sure if this was a repainted dial or a service dial or something else.
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Awesome research, thanks for doing that. Love to see all the little details up close like that.
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Love a fat lady! Good post
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Gotta love the fat lady.
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My Fat Lady is a late serial (9.6 mil) and has the "I" in Swiss lined up with the 31 second mark, so a MK III dial. Cool stuff here.This dial is virtually identical to my U serial 16710. I have been looking at both to find differences, but have yet to discern them. Thanks for your detailed post and for sharing this with us
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Here is one I didn't see posted in this thread - the one on the left in the photo below. My belief is that it is one of the first "OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE" signed dials.
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Also, The more I research the more I think that there may be a bit of an overlap in years where both the MK2 and MK3 dials were used. Particularly around 1985/86
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Very nice guys! The manager of my AD wears one and its also a real beauty
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As relates to the bezel inserts, it appears the later versions, 85, 86 (9.42 and 9.46 serial) you have shown, both have the thicker serif font inserts. Do you think this is accurate?
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Yes I think that is correct.
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Thanks Lee. Here is my 9.6 Serial (Late Run)
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Also love the fat lady. Here´s mine from 1984. No date version. I am pretty sure, that it has never been polished, maybe never been worn...... :-))
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I now know I have a Mk. III dial - love my Fat Lady. My daily wearer and my inseparable companion!
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Wow!!! Simply, Wow!!!
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I love those fat ladies.Mine is an 837xxxx serial. Sadly, my dial is of a later period. I gotta source a period correct dial.
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Amazing
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will the non-date dial fit for 8.5 serial?
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8.5 would be too late for a “no date” dial
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Hi, bought mine new in 1985 when 24 years old and have worn it every day since!
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