Nautilus Annual Production Numbers

[kronomentro]

Hi all,

Since there has been so much discussion in other threads of expected 20% prices increases on steel models 5711/12, I wondered if anyone has accurate annual production numbers on any Nautilus models? I suspect the vast majority of us on this forum who own a PP have a 5167/5164/5711/5712 if not multiple.

[ggencer]

Originally Posted by aagajjar

Hi all,



Since there has been so much discussion in other threads of expected 20% prices increases on steel models 5711/12, I wondered if anyone has accurate annual production numbers on any Nautilus models? I suspect the vast majority of us on this forum who own a PP have a 5167/5164/5711/5712 if not multiple.

Total Nautilus production is 25% of total Patek Philippe production which is like 12.000.


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[HorologyK]

Only Thierry knows... then again, who’s running that place ??! I forget.


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[tyler1980]

its widely reported that total annual production is in the 50k range (still a rough guess AFAIK). Its also rumored that SS production is around 20% of all watches made. The SS are pretty much the nautilus and aquanauts, so there you go.

[Passionata]

How many ADs in the world ,500?they got max 5 11 and 12 annual the rest even less i think ,i estimate less than 5k pcs in SS annual .

[ggencer]

Originally Posted by HorologyK

Only Thierry knows... then again, who’s running that place ??! I forget.


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The quantity for each reference is probably something only Thierry knows. But the info I gave above is what they say in the factory tour...


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[tng11]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

its widely reported that total annual production is in the 50k range (still a rough guess AFAIK). Its also rumored that SS production is around 20% of all watches made. The SS are pretty much the nautilus and aquanauts, so there you go.

You also have to remember the ladies' models - the SS Aquanauts, Nautilius and the Twenty-Fours are also part of that 20%. Could very well be that the models everyone talks about and wants is about 10% of annual production.

[Ichiran]

My guess is there are 300 blue 5711/1a and 250 white 5711/1a sold annually worldwide.

Maybe 500-600 5712/1a.

[rockdrock]

Originally Posted by ggencer

Total Nautilus production is 25% of total Patek Philippe production which is like 12.000.


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Wow. That is a lot more than I realized.


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[GB-man]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

My guess is there are 300 blue 5711/1a and 250 white 5711/1a sold annually worldwide.

Maybe 500-600 5712/1a.

My money says that’s under. There are 90 something retail outlets in the US alone but I digress.

[Jay (Eire)]

Originally Posted by GB-man

My money says that’s under. There are 90 something retail outlets in the US alone but I digress.

Agree, even the smaller guys of that 90 are getting 2-3 steel 5711s annually.

Also didn't some ADs indicate that blue to white steel 5711 ratio for delivery was 2:1 to 3:1.

[tng11]

Originally Posted by Jay (Eire)

Agree, even the smaller guys of that 90 are getting 2-3 steel 5711s annually.

Also didn't some ADs indicate that blue to white steel 5711 ratio for delivery was 2:1 to 3:1.

And that's just the US alone. One AD in Hong Kong told me that they get "multiple tens" of 5711s and 5712s every year - keeping in mind of course that HK is one of the largest watch markets in the world with 12 ADs.

[kronomentro]

Originally Posted by tng11

And that's just the US alone. One AD in Hong Kong told me that they get "multiple tens" of 5711s and 5712s every year - keeping in mind of course that HK is one of the largest watch markets in the world with 12 ADs.

Wow, I ask this question to try to understand the demand for 5711/1A and 5712/1A relative to their circulation.

Granted they are very different watches (and price points) but the old Lemania 5970s which are more prototypical Patek rather than a steel sport watch seem to have total production of < 1000.

We also have to remember all the 3700s that are out there too.

Is the steel Nautilus much like the manual wound Daytonas-produced in massive quantities and not rare at all although able to command value retention/increase?

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by tng11

And that's just the US alone. One AD in Hong Kong told me that they get "multiple tens" of 5711s and 5712s every year - keeping in mind of course that HK is one of the largest watch markets in the world with 12 ADs.

One AD in Singapore told me the whole country only receives 10 blue 5711 per year. In terms of swiss watch exports numbers, Singapore is in the 7th spot globally, so it's not a minute market.

So we now know where all the 5711s go - USA (180-270? pieces) and HK (20-100? pieces)

[Xerxes77]

I think like this: when start the year Patek have all piece who are order. If we want 20000 pieces in SS (Nautilus..) they produce 5000!
Why to make how many piece are demands?
Need to have order from 2 years!! IMO

[HAL330]

I called and talked to a customer service rep (person) at Patek Philippe in NY today.. we got into a long chat about production and price increase etc... very informative stuff.

From what I gathered, he believes the produce more 5711/1A than any other model period.. the reality is that the demand for those is the highest too, so it's invisible to us as consumers that they make more fo this model than others... He believes the 5711/1R is produced in a significantly lower quantity but the demand is lower, as is the demand for most of the complications.

He also said to do the math... 2-3 5711/1A's average a year to an AD, maybe 1 to 2 5711/1R's depending on the dealer's market demographics... 90 AD's in the US, which is their largest market, maybe 300 total dealers worldwide... my math tells me it's something like 1000 stainless and 600 gold 5711's.. then there are the other Nautilus references which are likely made in even fewer quantities.

the 50,000 numbers includes 12000+ quartz, a good number of Aquanaut, and other ladies automatics... then there is the significant run of leather / PM watches that they produce..

Rolex probably produces 10,000+ Daytona SS a year, but they also have a far larger market.

[tng11]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

One AD in Singapore told me the whole country only receives 10 blue 5711 per year. In terms of swiss watch exports numbers, Singapore is in the 7th spot globally, so it's not a minute market.

So we now know where all the 5711s go - USA (180-270? pieces) and HK (20-100? pieces)

10 for all of Singapore? Man, sounds like complete to me.

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

My guess is there are 300 blue 5711/1a and 250 white 5711/1a sold annually worldwide.

Maybe 500-600 5712/1a.

That is about right. My AD gets one 5711 per year. (If they are lucky).

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

That is about right. My AD gets one 5711 per year. (If they are lucky).

I reckon it also hinges on how many calatravas/complications/grand complications each AD sells. The AD that sells more of such watches will get slightly more allocation of Nautilus in general. However, the annual production for Nautilus remains constant worldwide.

My AD said they will apply to Patek for at least a 5711, 5712, 5167 every shipment (1 shipment per month), but they are almost certainly disappointed when they open the shipped box.

There are 3 PP AD in Singapore, and each one only receives 3-4 pieces of blue 5711 each year on average (based on what they said, which seems pretty consistent with each other's version of numbers). I was very surprised when someone mentioned HK alone receives (12*90) 1,080 pieces of 5711/5712 every year. That sounds like complete

[HAL330]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I... I was very surprised when someone mentioned HK alone receives (12*90) 1,080 pieces of 5711/5712 every year. That sounds like complete

It is BS... that's likely more than world wide distribution of that watch.

[Chasseur]

Originally Posted by tng11

You also have to remember the ladies' models - the SS Aquanauts, Nautilius and the Twenty-Fours are also part of that 20%. Could very well be that the models everyone talks about and wants is about 10% of annual production.

exactly