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28 April 2017, 11:50 AM | #1 |
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Wondering how rare it is to find a stick dial Pepsi with the newer 3186 movement and if there is a market for it? Thanks |
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prepare to pay a premium. do a search and you'll find a few.
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If you ask me personally, that's ridiculous prices to pay for this watch and slight modification from 3185 to 3186! |
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They for anywhere from 15K to 25K. Too much in my opinion, though the GMT is my favorite watch. I think their production ran for 2 years or so (M and V?). Also have engraved rehaut if I am not mistaken.
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Makes me smile about being rare yes they were made in smaller numbers but many hundreds possibly thousand of them around.And at one on the net the so called error or stick dial GMT must have a 3186 inside but afraid this was complete boswellocks.This hype was generated over the net and has driven prices up god knows why.
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https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=527985
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=535068 Here's two you can purchase
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Stick dials were made for years, I had a D serial pepsi with the sticks. The 3186 was mass produced for at least a year so I would say it is easy to find one.
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Trever I'll meet you half way, the stick part is not significant because it spans several serials including the M where a large percentage of those have the sticks. Getting your hands on a m 3186 is quite difficult at any price. Worldwide demand and nobody letting their's go. Just counting here....5-6 total for sale some with papers, some without ...since last July.
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That is a crazy price. I can get a minty white gold 116719 BLRO for less than that.
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Extremely Pricey
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They have been "stick" for a long time. Someone posted their service dial which long predates the 3186 versions. I can't find the thread though.
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Everyone (dealers primarily) is looking for the next hot flat 4/LV combination, and these "error" dials are an extension of that. It's important for consumers to be educated when looking at these expensive "rare" "error" dials. Unfortunately, a lot of people view these same dealers who pump the market as a source of education. Would I pay $25,000 for a NOS GMT2 with the 3186? No. However, anyone who wants to should, but they should make sure to know what they're paying for. |
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No one in the right frame of mind would pay such an obscene amount of money for what is just another 16710. It's utter madness.
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Absolutely! Just because the "2" in the model written on the dial has the tiniest of lines on top and bottom folks are paying a premium??? In some cases it looks like a $10,000 premium! I'm sorry, but this is madness.
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I also think it's madness to a certain extent, but that's the way the wheel turns, and that's the way the market has evolved. if i come across a 3186 16710 regardless of what i paid, and decided to sell it on an open market, I'm sorry but i too will charge a premium. Why would I sell under market value, potentially giving away thousands of dollars, because I don't agree with the "hype". If I'm gonna be charitable, i would make a charitable donation to a good cause, not to fight against "internet Hype", which btw should really just be called "internet". "Hype" implies false promotion or marketing, you can fight it all you want but this type of price valuation is as organic as it gets (not the price in the OP though, that is just craziness). People are paying premiums, buy or don't buy! No one's forcing anyone to buy any rolex. |
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Many Rolex models are sold with a premium for what could be considered a madness. Often the difference is a lot less what a 16710 with 3186 offers, like a single typography on the dial, or the fact than Paul Newman or any other celebrity could have eventually owned the same model. And what to say about a Sub or a SD sold for us$100,000 , just to have comex written on the dial ? With all that in mind, why all this trouble each time the 16710 3186 subject is opened ??? no other "hyped" Rolex generate the same reactions. Is it only jealousy from those who don't have it against those who have ? |
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No jealousy here. I'm shocked by ALL the premium prices paid for variations. Have you seen the prices for the Paul Newman Daytonas? I see them offered at $173,000!! I'm all about the free market. If people want to pay astronomical markups for anything, I say go with God. Your money, your call. I think it's insane, but it's everyone's right to be crazy and pay whatever they want for a product. Just don't expect me to understand. But hey, I don't think anybody cares what ras47 thinks about their purchase. At least I hope they don't! Of course I'm not a collector so that whole mindset is foreign to my way of thinking. The way I see it, we're lucky there are collectors. That is how I got a 10+ year old Rolex I coveted forever. A lot less supply would be available if it wasn't for folks having them to resell. And I paid MY price. So the system works, even if it seems irrational at times.
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There are Sticks and Rectangular dials, though the latter are less available the sticks seem to be more popular. The most expensive would be the Pepsi, Stick, M with papers proving it is original (an original coke with a Pepsi bezel will loose value). Original warrantee card would add $5k to the watch. if you have one with original Jubilee, you've hit the jackpot .... |
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Per the site below, it appears Julbilee was an option on a 16710. That said, I don't know if the option stopped at a specific serial letter. Mine is a D - no holes of course - so I have the 502T end links on the bracelet with the clasp. http://gmtmasterhistory.com/gmt-master_ref_16710.html |
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