A. Lange & Sohne 2nd hand market

[Jay (Eire)]

Originally Posted by justcruisin

I probably camp out on the EWC site more than I care to admit, but I noticed this last week...they cycle out the pieces that stay stagnant.

Yes, and some times just cycle the piece onto eBay or another platform. I’ve noticed this on very specific watches I was tracking for a while. And then, said watch may reappear back on the website.

It’s all somewhat irrelevant. If the price is right buy, if not leave it be.

[WatchEater666]

Originally Posted by vitalsigns

I suspect something a bit fishy as well. The vast price increases coupled with immediate "On Holds" followed by prompt sales looks suspect.

It's probably just a small business making boo boos managing their inventory. eCommerce backends for handling product are actually pretty clunky. Even at enterprise scale.

Or they're just selling quickly.

[pdnb]

Originally Posted by justcruisin

I probably camp out on the EWC site more than I care to admit, but I noticed this last week...they cycle out the pieces that stay stagnant.

Yes... they put stagnant pieces back in the incoming


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[ts3]

Originally Posted by pdnb

Yes... they put stagnant pieces back in the incoming


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Exactly, and next they show up under new arrivals again at often slightly lower prices than before.

[vitalsigns]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

It's probably just a small business making boo boos managing their inventory. eCommerce backends for handling product are actually pretty clunky. Even at enterprise scale.

Or they're just selling quickly.

I don't think so. Seems like a definite pattern that always cuts in one direction.

[RoscoPico]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Forgive me, but Lange finishing makes Journe's finishing look weak.

Lange's finishing makes Patek's finishing look weak, too.

(And yes, I respect and appreciate both Patek and Journe.)

thanks for the info, and glad i'm not the only one who thinks ALS is on that level

Originally Posted by Russell996

And what an amazing resource you have built at Langepedia.com.

agreed

Originally Posted by cloudsun

Hi all

I am possibly looking to add another watch in my collection, and after looking in this forum, came to admire the A. Lange & Sohne watches. I have looked at the buy/sell forum here and a few websites just for research purpose. What are some websites you guys visit for 2nd hand watches?

have you found anything yet ?

[lutchki]

Originally Posted by S``

1 word: Watchbox.

After their success with FPJ, Lange is their next target.

They started their "assault" with the hiring of Langepedia recently

Look what Roman Sharf of Luxury Bazzar is also trying to hype Lange. He bought tons of them and is talking about them in every episode. As if he just noticed that it’s undervalued.

[WatchEater666]

2nd hand market is certainly hotter btw. I sold the Zeitwerk I bought brand new last year for a bit over what I paid in 2 - 3 days.

[crod]

Im glad I bought my DATO back in Sept, I wanted one for some years and finally pulled the trigger it would have been much more difficult to buy one right now.

[GreatCircle]

I think more then enough people start to get bored and annoyed with Rolex drought . Patek is unobtainable as well so next on the horizon would be Lange or perhaps even JLC helped by some promotional activity from Mr. Sharf&Co, it all makes sense :). And in five years time with the money printers still overheating the popular Nomos models for five times retail on the grey market ;)

[cbalster]

so if i buy a datograph for $65k or a datograph up/down for 90k and in 12mo time decide to move on to something else, what kind of hit am i looking at when i call up WB/EWC/DSW and the other greys?

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by cbalster

so if i buy a datograph for $65k or a datograph up/down for 90k and in 12mo time decide to move on to something else, what kind of hit am i looking at when i call up WB/EWC/DSW and the other greys?

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[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by cbalster

so if i buy a datograph for $65k or a datograph up/down for 90k and in 12mo time decide to move on to something else, what kind of hit am i looking at when i call up WB/EWC/DSW and the other greys?

Keep in Mind, a Datograph was going for $47k just a few months ago. And an Up/Down for about 10-20% more than that.

Now, the non-Up/Down is listing for $65k, so like everything in the watch market, it's all insane.

[RolexSimon]

I think the DATO Mk1 was always undervalued and we're seeing a correction now. I've noticed ALS auction pieces popping up at Watchbox in Singapore a few weeks later at a significant markup (probably $10K more even allowing for buyers premium).

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by RolexSimon

I think the DATO Mk1 was always undervalued and we're seeing a correction now. I've noticed ALS auction pieces popping up at Watchbox in Singapore a few weeks later at a significant markup (probably $10K more even allowing for buyers premium).

They bottomed mid to high 30s for a minute. Damn that was a buy and we all knew it.

[ReturningSon]

Originally Posted by GB-man

They bottomed mid to high 30s for a minute. Damn that was a buy and we all knew it.

Truest wisdom ever said...especially on a forum named...well...you know...gawd. I kick myself. I saw an OG rose gold 39mm for $35K and knew the devil armed with pitchfork on my shoulder whispered right "buy it".

I didnt.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by GB-man

They bottomed mid to high 30s for a minute. Damn that was a buy and we all knew it.

Agreed, that was unnaturally low for a Dato gen1.

Granted, $65k is unnaturally high right now for that same watch, too. Just like everything else is unnaturally high. I still see people listing 5711/1A's for $115k.

[zagazar]

Originally Posted by lutchki

Look what Roman Sharf of Luxury Bazzar is also trying to hype Lange. He bought tons of them and is talking about them in every episode. As if he just noticed that it’s undervalued.

Lange on social media is growing cos of them. Look at instagram and follow langepedia....it tells everything.

[zagazar]

Originally Posted by Langepedia

Hello Sir - Langepedia here haha.

No, we ventured into a partnership, which you can see some details in my IG post from 8th of April.

Best,
Alp

Alp - Thanks for the langepedia website. Very valuable information. Reading more about history and complexity of the Datograph, made my purchase decision easier.

[chiscott_29]

Originally Posted by EEpro

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This sounds ridiculous but it’s true. Don’t waste your time with EWC or WB if you’re only trying to get out of something. Be patient and try and sell privately, or trading up may yield acceptable results.

They seem to have no problem raising each one by $5k every time they are replaced with another one for sale, but it’s always the “there isn’t much demand” justification when they’re the buyer.


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[Watchflair]

Originally Posted by ReturningSon

Truest wisdom ever said...especially on a forum named...well...you know...gawd. I kick myself. I saw an OG rose gold 39mm for $35K and knew the devil armed with pitchfork on my shoulder whispered right "buy it".

I didnt.

I remember that watch as well - shoulda woulda coulda but dam I didnt


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[zewill]

Originally Posted by chiscott_29

This sounds ridiculous but it’s true. Don’t waste your time with EWC or WB if you’re only trying to get out of something. Be patient and try and sell privately, or trading up may yield acceptable results.

They seem to have no problem raising each one by $5k every time they are replaced with another one for sale, but it’s always the “there isn’t much demand” justification when they’re the buyer.


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Exactly. Don't waste your time with lowballers. Sell privately and get a win win for everyone.
Lange is an amazing brand; I wish the brand would be left alone and stopped being hyped by individuals that clearly have an agenda (their own profits). A bit of hype is good but look what becomes of Rolex. Passionate people getting sick of the games.

Not sure about discounts at AD in these days. It's also hard to discuss discounts because it's also heavily dependant on model. (Spending 30$k or 200k$, repeat customer, enthusiasm for a specific model etc.).

I agree with the boutique policy of 0%. ADs should always be allowed a little wiggle room, nothing like giving a bit to the customer to make him feel it's a win.

[ap1]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

2nd hand market is certainly hotter btw. I sold the Zeitwerk I bought brand new last year for a bit over what I paid in 2 - 3 days.

Yeah but you get 30 off?

[pdnb]

Originally Posted by ap1

Yeah but you get 30 off?

Watch eater did “well” as they say and had some good timing by purchasing before the price hike.


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[Langepedia]

Originally Posted by zagazar

Alp - Thanks for the langepedia website. Very valuable information. Reading more about history and complexity of the Datograph, made my purchase decision easier.

What a pleasure to hear this. Enjoy in the best of days. Datograph is a watch that needs to be understood, no wonder it stalled for so many years as it is a greatness apart from its brand stamp.

Enjoy in the best of days. I truly enjoyed writing that article and even myself turn back and read it from time to time to remember some stuff :))

[pdnb]

Originally Posted by Langepedia

What a pleasure to hear this. Enjoy in the best of days. Datograph is a watch that needs to be understood, no wonder it stalled for so many years as it is a greatness apart from its brand stamp.

Enjoy in the best of days. I truly enjoyed writing that article and even myself turn back and read it from time to time to remember some stuff :))

I can’t say enough good things about your website.

I have spent hours reading the content on many of its chapters!!


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[Langepedia]

Originally Posted by pdnb

I can’t say enough good things about your website.

I have spent hours reading the content on many of its chapters!!


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Very kind of you my friend, I hope that you continue to enjoy - feel free to reach out anytime!

Best,
Alp

[WatchEater666]

Originally Posted by ap1

Yeah but you get 30 off?

That was normal then, they only stopped discounting recently. I also bought at peak COVID scare due to large testicles.

[pdnb]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

That was normal then, they only stopped discounting recently. I also bought at peak COVID scare due to large testicles.

Large testicles!!!


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[ap1]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

That was normal then, they only stopped discounting recently. I also bought at peak COVID scare due to large testicles.

Well done with your testes etc lol. My point is, most on here can no longer get -30 but I’m not sure (basically positive) the secondary values also closed that gap (I’m highly skeptical). So I still think it’s dangerous with Lange and I’d really caution they are a “keeper” if paying up at AD. obviously this excludes oddy

If you bought for -30 and received -28 (from msrp) - that I get