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Old Today, 10:14 AM   #301
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I still think we should gather a bunch on electronic signatures , send a letter off to Rolex requesting they conduct an investigation into how if at all legit, the Blueberry insert came into existence. I still don’t think it’s an unreasonable request. Someone here or abroad that someone knows who can hold such influence to persuade such and investigation. If it really is legit, let’s get some documentation and put this too bed. One shouldn’t quail to call a fake a fake.
I'd sign it immediately.
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Exactly my thoughts. It looks to be an estimate that’s been conveniently cropped. So all it’s stating is the condition the watch has been received in. It’s not a confirmation of anything. The rest of the estimate would be interesting, but that hasn’t been posted for a reason I suspect.




The word special is interesting. ‘Special flip lock clasp’? What can be special about a flip lock clasp? I’m taking that as not original to the watch. ‘Special 24 hour bezel’ You can see where I’m going with this.

Have a look at these inserts:




There is no doubt what so ever that these are fake in my opinion.

Genuine bezel inserts are produced by first anodising the raw aluminium bezel, pad printing a mask for the numbers, and then dyed. If the numbers on the bezel are scratched on a genuine insert, all you’ll see underneath is the aluminium colour, and NOT the colour of the dyed insert. A far more tolerant approach to wear.

The inserts above have been anodised, dyed and then had the numbers pad printed on top. Not the way it’s done by any manufacturer Rolex have used in 50+ years.
I had them in my hand, I can tell you that this is not the case,
in the past I discolored one (many years ago when they were worth very little),
all the blue paint went away, but the numbers remained perfect in silver color on faded metal,
so In my opinion these first bezels with defects are at the beginning of production / proof of printing and
the anodization process has not taken in the areas where the numbers are defective.
(it is sufficient that under the surface in which the paint is to be attached the metal is slightly not well cleaned or greasy and it can happen)
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Old Today, 11:24 AM   #303
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I still think we should gather a bunch on electronic signatures , send a letter off to Rolex requesting they conduct an investigation into how if at all legit, the Blueberry insert came into existence. I still don’t think it’s an unreasonable request. Someone here or abroad that someone knows who can hold such influence to persuade such and investigation. If it really is legit, let’s get some documentation and put this too bed. One shouldn’t quail to call a fake a fake.
It would be enough for Ellen DeGeneres to ask Rolex,
when such an important international Celebrity moves, I think something they do,
if we ""latest arrivals and very normal peoples "ask them , they don't take us into consideration,
you can do the petitions you want, not whether it is labor law or human rights, they are a private
company without obligations towards us and they can also tell you that you can live the same
without them telling you whether in the past or not they ordered a blue bezel
(or rather I think it also annoys him to reveal his inner things, I worked for two years at
Ferrari cars and from what I see more a company is a very famous brand to protect
and protect and less wants to tell you their inner things)



or Danile Dae Kim ?

this is the only way to have an answer from Rolex
if some Vip very known ask to them

https://www.hodinkee.com/videos/talk...daniel-dae-kim

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Old Today, 11:28 AM   #304
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I see nothing on the aakviper document that you posted indicating that it is a service receipt. Actually, I'm not quite sure what it is - but my best guess would be that, if it is genuine, it is a letter documenting the receipt of a GMT which contains a description of the watch.
That AAKVIPER doc is standard Rolex watch appraisal for insurance purposes. Rolex uses the word “special” when describing the 24 hour GMT bezels on all GMT appraisals I've seen.

I also like Jake's research below.
https://www.rolexmagazine.com/search...lueberry%20GMT

At the end of the day, if collectors like yourself, Lee, Mondani, others haven’t seen blue GMTs in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990, etc... when it adds to the belief these are frankin watches. Only folks I see talking up blue inserts are resellers and the folks who purchased them at a premium.
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Given Ben's body language and statements, he knows the watch is a frankinwatch special. Jake writes about this video in the link I provided above.
Even Dae Kim seems to acknowledge he could have been taken for a ride with that watch but he likes it. Liking the watch is the important thing.

It's sad for everyone involved though paying a steep premium for insert which has no legit history like other inserts.

Seems like every time a Blueberry insert story is debunked, another one one surfaces trying to legitimize it. E.g. service inserts made available to customers and then it was made only available in the Middle East, etc...

Who knows at this point. Bottom line is I trust the folks who collected GMTs for many decades over the auction houses and resellers.

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or Danile Dae Kim ?

this is the only way to have an answer from Rolex
if some Vip very known ask to them

https://www.hodinkee.com/videos/talk...daniel-dae-kim
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I think all the blueberry collectors should return their watches back to "the dealer" they bought them from. If the dealer won't accept the watches that they sold, then you have your answer.
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Old Today, 12:00 PM   #309
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I guess that generating this kind of crisis is completely meaningless,
above all it would give it to Orchi (its only purpose is to put these sellers against their customers).
No one can be obliged to take back a watch without there being any real and tangible proof
(I do not say that ridiculous, false or incorrect letter presented by Orchi, I say a real proof).
Realistic proof is needed to make such serious claims and actions against a seller!
Don't go bullshit like this. You demand 100% tangible proof to declare these bezels as genuine,
and you have no money at stake, so on the other hand it is right that to put a seller in the situation
of giving an immediate repayment there is even more serious evidence and undeniable.
And many times owner give back a watch in worst conditions than when bought .

Let's be serious!
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Old Today, 12:03 PM   #310
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as usual these dramas set up by Orchi do not bring anything good to anyone, they only put negativity and pessimism on everyone,
a good seller with a respected reputation is immediately pointed out as a murderer, a client who may not have a psychologically strong
character gets immediately taken by a thousand doubts, because most of the people outside the matter
(especially many critycs always ready to point the finger that they know very little and have two watches in all)
and so he is in a hurry to sell on the fly as if he had a shit in hand, and often it turns out later that maybe everything was ok,
and perhaps the hack sells quickly at low cost a piece that then in the future can no longer find or will have to pay double
if it is later acknowledged as genuine.
Nobody gains anything except the various trolls and Orchi that poor guy enjoys only these situations here,
and you making so much clamor fall right in his net.


Attention I say this thing without any involvement,
since in the past I sold some but never anybody came back to complain or ask for reimbursement even in these days
(given that customers are intelligent people who are not brainwashed by Orchi and they know what they bought)

At the same time, besides my own that I keep in the collection,
I am treating to bring home another one in this period,

then we will see if time will prove me right or not
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