Tudor Submariner

[Chef_hacker]

What are your thoughts on this tudor?
Model number?
These are the only photos i have got to go on.

Many thanks

[John in MA]

early snowflake 7016 (notice the SWISS only on the dial).

That helps date it to sometime around 1970.

[drainaps]

Legit 7016 in my opinion. Lume seems in so so shape. Look at triangle at 12 o'clock. Pic of the dial is not detailed enough which does not help and dial seems rough instead of smooth? Strange.

Looks like lug chambers are in good shape too. Bracelet has seen better days. Caseback looks proper as well.

Main concern is shape of dial, but these Snowie dials age poorly across the board. There are much nicer ones out there IMHO. unless price was very attractive, I'd pass, mostly on dial condition.

[drainaps]

Legit 7016 in my opinion. Lume seems in so so shape. Look at triangle at 12 o'clock. Pic of the dial is not detailed enough which does not help and dial seems rough instead of smooth? Strange.

Looks like lug chambers are in good shape too. Bracelet has seen better days. Caseback looks proper as well.

Main concern is shape of dial, but these Snowie dials age poorly across the board. There are much nicer ones out there IMHO. unless price was very attractive, I'd pass, mostly on dial condition.

[Chef_hacker]

Hi I might be able to get this for £1100 is this ok?
I like the fact the hands and dial have aged the same you see to many with white replacement hands.

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by Chef_hacker

Hi I might be able to get this for £1100 is this ok?
I like the fact the hands and dial have aged the same you see to many with white replacement hands.

Watch looks good from what little I can see in the photos, dial issues as noted above. For 1100 pounds - that is a fair/good deal. I would do it.

One day that dial will fall apart and you do need to be concerned about dial material falling into movement (though less so because no date window and being an ETA less costly to fix than a Rolex movement).

[Mark020]

Very good catch at GBP 1100. Bracelet alone has a value of at least GBP 500 :-)

[dxdaz]

Hi, first post here so please go easy if I offend or break the rules.
I was also interested in this watch having seen it advertised in an Auction House, I would dearly love a Rolex Sub or GMT but funds dictate otherwise at the minute so I`m looking for a Tudor Sub. This caught my eye and in research I stumbled across this forum. I`ve not seen the watch in the flesh as it`s over 200 miles away so I emailed the auction house for serial numbers , paperwork etc. Having just received a reply from the Auction house I would advise Chef Hacker to do the same before placing a bid. Not sure if I`m allowed to post the details I received but am willing to send by pm if allowed, perhaps the moderators could advise, thanks, Daz.

[Vincent65]

looks great to me - looks like 1969 bracelet too, which would be about right. I think it looks pretty tight as well. At that price, it's a steal. Dial paint has bubbled up a bit, which is common in these. Bit of a ding on the lower edge of the case opposite the crown, but no biggie. Looks to be on good shape. Honest.

[drainaps]

I'm just thinking that the very funny dial aspect might be water damage. If that's so, we would need pictures of the caseback to assess pitting, and you would need a watchmaker to assess if the movement and case are in good shape, or are water damaged too.

If case and movement are ok, you might want to source a set of legit replacement dial /hands straight away to have a finer watch. YMMV but let's say around 500 GBP for both dial +hands. This gets you close to GBP 2,000. It's less of a steal but still reasonable.

If you are not familiar or do not feel comfortable with hands /dial being replaced, or the fact that the watch might have been water damaged is going to torture you for the next few years, I'd pass.

Personally, I'd pass. I've never seen one of these dials take such a beating and there must be a reason beyond normal use to it.

PM should you need some hints on where to find the dial and hands. I'm not in the trade, advice would be with no strings attached. Well, now that I think of it, I'm actually on the wrong side of the trade, the one spending the money.

[Frogman4me]

Dial bubbling is common on 7016 snowflakes, I would ask for clearer photos but honestly at that price I wouldn't hesitate!

[lhanddds]

Originally Posted by frogman4me

dial bubbling is common on 7016 snowflakes, i would ask for clearer photos but honestly at that price i wouldn't hesitate!

x2

[Mark020]

Even is the dial is shot, which it isn't just normal early snowflake goosebumping as stated before, than GBP 600 for a head only 7016 would be a steal. Case is fat!

[drainaps]

Originally Posted by Frogman4me

Dial bubbling is common on 7016 snowflakes, I would ask for clearer photos but honestly at that price I wouldn't hesitate!

Fully agree, but this looks like an extreme case of it.... I've seen bubbling in a much more moderate variety only. Anyway, without detailed dial pics it's anybody's guess..... I humbly believe it looks way too damaged to me for natural Snowie bubbling. Maybe the absence of closeups is intentional.... I'd factor a replacement period dial and hands as total cost. If that dial starts to chip off, watch goes straight to the dry dock for sure.......and it's new dial (and hands for the cosmetics).

[Vincent65]

I like the dial and hands, and it's dirt-cheap. No-branier, IMO.

[harry in montreal]

i would buy that all day long for 1100 ukpounds.

likely going to be your legacy legendary great-deal-favorite-watch. act fast!

[Paul]

I think someone new to collecting would be well-pleased with that watch. Has all the charm of it's Rolex counterpart and a patina that just screams 'vintage watch'.

Nice case, nice character dial and hands (the bubbling is nothing unusual) and the period bracelet is a great score. Potential for escalation of the dial bubbling is not a concern either -
it's probably looked just like that since very soon after it was manufactured ( a reaction between the paints / lacquers used as I understand it).

I'd definitely be jumping the queue to buy that 7016/0

[linesiders]

Plus it has the best / prettiest / sweetest Fat Font Tudor insert you are going to find.

CH - Buy it - I'm now getting jealous. If this place was capable of better pictures this would already be sold.

[dxdaz]

Before some folks get carried away with this watch please allow me to copy/paste the condition report from the auction house. I'm no expert on these watches but this has put me off bidding, unless you guys can shed more light on the potential service/repair costs, thanks ,daz. ANTIQUE SALE - 05/12/12

Thank you for your enquiry. Please find further information as requested.

Lot Number: 249 There will be no VAT on sale hammer price.

Description
A Gentleman's Tudor Oyster Prince Submariner, with black dial, luminous hands and batons.
Condition Report
No case numbers and watch not running correctly - stops/starts. Well worn. Box shabby. Numbers obscured by non-original bracelet and muck. Bezel not rotating correctly.
Engraved "original oyster case by rolex geneva" to rear of case.

Kind regards
Tom Robson, Auctioneer

Estimate: £300-500 Currency: GBP - UK Pound

Boldon Auction Galleries
Tel: 0191 537 2630
Fax: 0191 536 3875
www.boldonauctions.co.uk

[RLX-lvr]

That is a good score at 1000 pounds.

Rare early Swiss only dial, that isn't too bad. I think it adds nice character.
To a vintage guy, this a is a nice original unmolested watch.
The sum of the parts I value at $2800-$3000 easy, for retail.

Only one thing to note on the report is, they can't make out the serial#, but they also mention because of muck. He he.

So if you get it and the ref, and serial #'s were rubbed because of bracelet wear and you weren't happy, strip it down, throw the case away , and still have $2.8-$3.0K usd in parts.

If any of you guys get this piece and are not happy with it, I regret selling my snowflake, and would love this vintage piece.

[Frogman4me]

You should still get it!

[Chef_hacker]

Thanks dxdaz for the exposure

[harry in montreal]

The bracelet alone, if it is a real 20mm rolex band brings at least 400 ukpounds on ebay. so the watch is a bargain. all together its worth us$3300 considerig the band is worth a solid us$700

[dxdaz]

Originally Posted by Chef_hacker

Thanks dxdaz for the exposure

Apologies mate, I meant no harm. My initial post was to warn you of its condition in case you hadn`t checked with the auction house.

My second post went through a moderator before being posted, I decided to leave the auction link so others could check its condition so as not to look like I was merely putting you off bidding so I could snap it cheap.

If a moderator can remove the link in my post I`m ok with that.

Hope this clears things up, good luck with the auction (I`m not bidding, too much of a gamble for a newbie like me), please post further pics if you win

[harry in montreal]

In the long run, if you want a good deal, you are better off waiting for one on eBay with good pics. If the band is a fake, the guts may be as well. Daxdz may have done you a favor. I would NOT pay 1000 pounds for a head only snowflake with no serial numbers and sparse pics. Harry

[RLX-lvr]

So did anyone here buy the Tudor sub??

http://www.boldonauctions.co.uk/sear...ve=1&x=65&y=14