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27 March 2020, 02:40 AM | #1 |
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Asian engravings
There have been quite some discussions in this forum about Asian cases and engravings - really interesting reads. Are there any patterns and specific watch outs with them that make it easy to spot?
Have seen this watch at a grey which looks legit to me. Also checked with HQ Milton examples. Other veritable Rolex experts told me this might be re-engraved. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oyi...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E_9...ew?usp=sharing Any views and recommendations? |
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What is the Asian connection?
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Tough one. If that Daytona was re-engraved or otherwise doctored, it's well done. There are perhaps some very subtle differences, but you have to factor in lighting in the photos and the angles.
If I had to guess, I'd say the OP's example looks as if the engravings are a little deeper than factory engravings, but difficult to ascertain for sure. How's the rest of the watch? I'd use the engraving as only one (albeit important) part of confirming overall authenticity. What made you question it in the first place? |
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The only thing that concerns me is the serial number. It doesnt seem to be consistent with the other engravings but as stated above, it may just be the lighting.
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Watch looks good in general. Only the case raised some questions, hence the concerns about the engravings. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jTe...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1q1m...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jM2...ew?usp=sharing |
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28 March 2020, 06:08 AM | #9 |
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Not an expert...
looks to me like an MK4 dial with MK3 Bezel? Dial looks like the LE in Rolex are missing the downward serifs along with the rounder O's in Cosmograph hence the MK4. Bezel has the right spacing in and overlap on "Units Per Hour" and the right spacing on the 100 hash for an MK3. N3 serial seems right for an inverted six.. dumb question but have you checked the movement?
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The rest of that watch looks nice. The case/lugs/crown guards are fantastic. Very sharp and thick. |
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Unless the watch is new, and it doesn't appear to be, the case has been re-engraved or is counterfeit. it looks like it was engraved yesterday.
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So it's rather a hard pass cause the case causing too many concerns or any chances to verify this further? The rest looks legit to me - here pictures of the movement, papers and caseback. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H94...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/15ff...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kY9...ew?usp=sharing Really helpful to have so many experts in one place. |
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Fake case. Was this on eBay a month or so ago, case and papers?
Edit: It wasn’t. It’s a Vietnamese case though in my opinion. |
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Who’s the dealer?
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As I said previously, the engraving looks deeper than original engravings and there are other subtle differences, such as the stroke on the top of the "1".
The apparent "new-ness" wouldn't bother me as much as the style and depth of the engraving, although it's pretty close. (You still see near NOS 16520s come on the market every once in a while, so some of these cases can be super clean.) Here are two side-by-side comparison photos, with an authentic 16520 on the left in both photos, and the questionable watch on the right. You be the judge: |
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Just help me out - what's the reason for such a fake / franken since the rest (movement, dial, bezel, bracelet, papers) look legit and time correct? Like I have a genuine watch with a worn-down case and want to dress it with an unpolished one? So overall a pass I assume? Thanks for providing the insights... |
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Is there a general consenus as to which people tend to use as gospel? Based on Fratello I was thinking it looked like an MK4 still having inverted 6
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