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RotaryRx7 · 15 October 2011, 07:06 AM

Congrats on the new acquisition!

Nica64 · 16 October 2011, 09:42 AM

Congrats on a beautiful watch!!

bcacncnc · 16 October 2011, 10:13 AM

Wowzaaa! Congrats - looks fanatastic and lovely and shiny!

Langleyz · 16 October 2011, 01:22 PM

Thanks again, gents.

Here's another. More of the same, but I'm loving this watch!

sea-dweller · 17 October 2011, 02:32 PM

Congrats!

fstnlgl · 18 October 2011, 01:46 PM

Congrats. One of each. Enjoy.

Explorertwo · 18 October 2011, 06:06 PM

Love the both Of them! Have to for a rad as well..... Oh should stop reasing these posts.....
Congrats!!!!

nebulight · 13 November 2011, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Langleyz

Cheers!

Another pic...

I hate to be the one to tell you, but that is a fake 183. The shock protection system is the tell on these movements. There is no notch.

TimeOnHand · 13 November 2011, 01:01 AM

Congrats mate... it looks great!

watchdaddy1 · 13 November 2011, 01:58 AM

Big congrats-shes a BEAUTY

derik.damon · 14 November 2011, 01:13 AM

Sorry to be the bear of bad news but you have a fake PAM183. I hope you didn't pay much for it and saved the receipt.

The first big red flag was your first pic. The dial top plate (that's a sandwich dial) is way too thin. Panerai never made a dial like that.

Here's the comparison with a gen PAM183. Note the 6 that I've highlighted. You can see how thick the top plate is compared to your shot. But I thought it could be just the angle, lighting, etc.

After you posted the movement pic I had no doubt: someone stole from you. The PAM183 uses the Panerai Calibre OP XI.

http://www.paneraisource.com/details/OPXI.html

The OP XI has, in addition to other upgrades, an Incabloc shock protection balance wheel (note the Y format of the shock protection and how it's aligned with the micro regulator needle). Your movement uses a regular Asian balance wheel.

Sorry about the sad news but maybe you can get your money back. Good luck.

jhilly8982 · 14 November 2011, 04:31 AM

You traded this with member slim21 correct?

GL08 · 14 November 2011, 05:13 AM

what strap size do u have on the rad... looks like there is a big gap?

HL65 · 14 November 2011, 10:06 AM

Feel badly for you...I hope you get your watch back or the value for it as I see he already sold it. People must be careful out there and don't deal with people with no history or feedback. Too many bad characters out there and plenty of good ones so no need to take chances. If it seems to good to be true that is because it usually is! Sorry you had to find out the hard way...

Mosco · 14 November 2011, 11:59 AM

Oh f**k.... Do you have his address?

rulessapt · 14 November 2011, 12:23 PM

Man, bummer. Sorry to see this happen here in our community.
I hope this can be sorted, fast, for your sake.
All the best for a speedy and satisfactory resolution.

Cheers
Richard

Langleyz · 14 November 2011, 01:17 PM

This... I don't need. Haha. Man, what bad news. Just so you guys know, I took this watch to an AD here in Melbourne and had them check it out before my watch reached this guy and they didn't notice a thing. This sucks. I can't really do anything about it now. It's not a massive loss for me. Still extremely frustrating as I liked this watch...

F**K!! Be careful, cats.

Langleyz · 14 November 2011, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosco

Oh f**k.... Do you have his address?

yes.

Langleyz · 14 November 2011, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derik.damon

Sorry to be the bear of bad news but you have a fake PAM183. I hope you didn't pay much for it and saved the receipt.

The first big red flag was your first pic. The dial top plate (that's a sandwich dial) is way too thin. Panerai never made a dial like that.

Here's the comparison with a gen PAM183. Note the 6 that I've highlighted. You can see how thick the top plate is compared to your shot. But I thought it could be just the angle, lighting, etc.

After you posted the movement pic I had no doubt: someone stole from you. The PAM183 uses the Panerai Calibre OP XI.

The OP XI has, in addition to other upgrades, an Incabloc shock protection balance wheel (note the Y format of the shock protection and how it's aligned with the micro regulator needle). Your movement uses a regular Asian balance wheel.

Sorry about the sad news but maybe you can get your money back. Good luck.

Good pick up by the way. Nice first post.... :(

lol.

Mosco · 14 November 2011, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Langleyz

yes.

Pretty please, with sugar on top, would you post it? Or pm would do.

rulessapt · 14 November 2011, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Langleyz

This... I don't need. Haha. Man, what bad news. Just so you guys know, I took this watch to an AD here in Melbourne and had them check it out before my watch reached this guy and they didn't notice a thing. This sucks. I can't really do anything about it now. It's not a massive loss for me. Still extremely frustrating as I liked this watch...

F**K!! Be careful, cats.

Ben,
Commiserations once more, on the loss.
Doesn't fill a bloke with confidence of the ADs ability to discern sh!t from clay.

Given your written reaction, I applaud your ability to cop a gut punch.
You deserve a better outcome.

Could you feel safe buying another? I'm assuming you had OP paperwork with the trade?

Cheers
Richard

rulessapt · 14 November 2011, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosco

Pretty please, with sugar on top, would you post it? Or pm would do.

To use words of the doctor of Gonzo...
when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.

Hope there's something you might be able to achieve which is positive, for the victim in this piece.

Mosco · 14 November 2011, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rulessapt

To use words of the doctor of Gonzo...
when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.

Hope there's something you might be able to achieve which is positive, for the victim in this piece.

Bingo.

Ultraman · 14 November 2011, 03:57 PM

Hey Ben,

Sorry to hear about what happened.

I hope you able to recover your B&R with the help of the TRF members or the Authority.

Let us know how we can help and the development of this matter.

Langleyz · 14 November 2011, 11:20 PM

Cheers guys.

Watch out for this guy;

Jonathan Wilburn

1341 Golfview Street
Aurora IL 60506

Bad news!

Langleyz · 14 November 2011, 11:22 PM

I guess the question is now, do I still keep saving for a 16610LV or look for a new Rad...

rulessapt · 14 November 2011, 11:37 PM

Go Rad.
They still make bazillions of the 16610LV.

That's my theory.

Mosco · 14 November 2011, 11:47 PM

Ben,

Are you 100% sure this guy was aware he had a fake himself? Also, have you been in touch with him since the discovery? I'm not defending him, just want to be sure beyond shadow of doubt that he's guilty before doors start being knocked on.

HL65 · 15 November 2011, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosco

Ben,

Are you 100% sure this guy was aware he had a fake himself? Also, have you been in touch with him since the discovery? I'm not defending him, just want to be sure beyond shadow of doubt that he's guilty before doors start being knocked on.

Greg-
This guy slim21 also had a fake Panerai 24 which he showed in other threads. Also- guy from Aurora in link above by Derrick took a Breitling Avenger with blue dial on trade and got scammed. Well- slim21 had a Breitling Avenger with blue dial in FS section the other day as well and is from Aurora.

watchdaddy1 · 15 November 2011, 12:49 AM

This is some sad news, I dont know about any1 else here but I HATE A THIEF, & 2 knowingly decieve a member of a watch sickens me. I wish I lived where this man lived because I would be knocking his teeth out then asking questions.

16 October 2011, 09:42 AM	#32
Nica64 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,596	Congrats on a beautiful watch!! __________________ ______________________________ You can't turn back the clock. But you can wind it up again.

16 October 2011, 10:13 AM	#33
bcacncnc "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Bryan Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,577	Wowzaaa! Congrats - looks fanatastic and lovely and shiny! __________________ Omega Panerai Chopard Grand Seiko

13 November 2011, 01:01 AM	#39
TimeOnHand "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Kevin Location: Hong Kong Watch: Rolex Air-King Posts: 4,468	Congrats mate... it looks great! __________________ Instagram: timeonhand1010

14 November 2011, 10:06 AM	#44
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,472	Feel badly for you...I hope you get your watch back or the value for it as I see he already sold it. People must be careful out there and don't deal with people with no history or feedback. Too many bad characters out there and plenty of good ones so no need to take chances. If it seems to good to be true that is because it usually is! Sorry you had to find out the hard way... __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

14 November 2011, 11:59 AM	#45
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Oh fk.... Do you have his address? __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss “A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson**

15 October 2011, 07:06 AM	#31
RotaryRx7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Steve Location: Chicago Suburbs Watch: Glasshute SeaQ Posts: 56	Congrats on the new acquisition!

16 October 2011, 01:22 PM	#34
Langleyz "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Ben Location: Perth Watch: Rolex 16760/116400 Posts: 756	Thanks again, gents. Here's another. More of the same, but I'm loving this watch!

17 October 2011, 02:32 PM	#35
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	Congrats!

18 October 2011, 01:46 PM	#36
fstnlgl "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: california Posts: 136	Congrats. One of each. Enjoy.

18 October 2011, 06:06 PM	#37
Explorertwo "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Tom Location: Lowlands Watch: White 'n Black Posts: 641	Love the both Of them! Have to for a rad as well..... Oh should stop reasing these posts..... Congrats!!!!

13 November 2011, 01:58 AM	#40
watchdaddy1 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: William Location: Az Watch: strap whore Posts: 1,194	Big congrats-shes a BEAUTY

14 November 2011, 04:31 AM	#42
jhilly8982 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: chicago Posts: 334	You traded this with member slim21 correct?

14 November 2011, 05:13 AM	#43
GL08 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 158	what strap size do u have on the rad... looks like there is a big gap?

14 November 2011, 12:23 PM	#46
rulessapt "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: richard Location: Tasmania Watch: u c Posts: 514	Man, bummer. Sorry to see this happen here in our community. I hope this can be sorted, fast, for your sake. All the best for a speedy and satisfactory resolution. Cheers Richard

14 November 2011, 01:17 PM	#47
Langleyz "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Ben Location: Perth Watch: Rolex 16760/116400 Posts: 756	This... I don't need. Haha. Man, what bad news. Just so you guys know, I took this watch to an AD here in Melbourne and had them check it out before my watch reached this guy and they didn't notice a thing. This sucks. I can't really do anything about it now. It's not a massive loss for me. Still extremely frustrating as I liked this watch... F**K!! Be careful, cats.

14 November 2011, 03:57 PM	#54
Ultraman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 2,175	Hey Ben, Sorry to hear about what happened. I hope you able to recover your B&R with the help of the TRF members or the Authority. Let us know how we can help and the development of this matter.

14 November 2011, 11:20 PM	#55
Langleyz "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Ben Location: Perth Watch: Rolex 16760/116400 Posts: 756	Cheers guys. Watch out for this guy; Jonathan Wilburn 1341 Golfview Street Aurora IL 60506 Bad news!

14 November 2011, 11:22 PM	#56
Langleyz "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Ben Location: Perth Watch: Rolex 16760/116400 Posts: 756	I guess the question is now, do I still keep saving for a 16610LV or look for a new Rad...

14 November 2011, 11:37 PM	#57
rulessapt "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: richard Location: Tasmania Watch: u c Posts: 514	Go Rad. They still make bazillions of the 16610LV. That's my theory.

14 November 2011, 11:47 PM	#58
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Ben, Are you 100% sure this guy was aware he had a fake himself? Also, have you been in touch with him since the discovery? I'm not defending him, just want to be sure beyond shadow of doubt that he's guilty before doors start being knocked on. __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

15 November 2011, 12:49 AM	#60
watchdaddy1 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: William Location: Az Watch: strap whore Posts: 1,194	This is some sad news, I dont know about any1 else here but I HATE A THIEF, & 2 knowingly decieve a member of a watch sickens me. I wish I lived where this man lived because I would be knocking his teeth out then asking questions.

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