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watchtabs · 20 July 2018, 08:39 AM

Hey guys

I'm going nuts here.

I started with a 5711 white idea, but for the 5711 premium I can buy a Rose Gold Datograph for the same price or as I had in the other thread a 5164R.

Your thoughts?

CoveWatch · 20 July 2018, 08:45 AM

That datograph is just beautiful! And seems like so much bang for your buck at that price

tyler1980 · 20 July 2018, 08:49 AM

Dato in platinum otherwise no

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GoingPlaces · 20 July 2018, 08:50 AM

I'd go Datograph, you can spend years staring at that movement.

Sam Philip · 20 July 2018, 08:52 AM

Rose Gold Datograph as I don't think 5711 is worth the premium.

tonupbklyn · 20 July 2018, 09:36 AM

depends... what's ur wrist size?
if we're talking the current gen 41mm and ur wrist is less than 7in, then I'd say u may not completely like the way it sits on the wrist. especially in comparison with the 5711 and 5164.

the original 39mm dufourograph, on the other hand, is something else! i absolutely love the black dial with roman indices against the 39mm RG case. much cleaner without the power reserve indicator.

AK797 · 20 July 2018, 09:53 AM

At 39mm I'd get the platinum, 41mm in RG is fine but I don't like the dial as much sans Romans.

Bearxj86 · 20 July 2018, 10:56 AM

I like of like the 1815 chrono. The movement looks exactly the same but much slimmer. I think there is a limited edition one.

Vaxe · 20 July 2018, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyler1980

dato in platinum otherwise no

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Or at least RG with black dial. Big no on white dial dato

thomaspp · 20 July 2018, 11:52 AM

Don’t buy a 5711 at these silly gray market prices. Also don’t buy a Lange! Lol

So I guess that leaves one choice

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benlee · 20 July 2018, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watchtabs

Hey guys

I'm going nuts here.

I started with a 5711 white idea, but for the 5711 premium I can buy a Rose Gold Datograph for the same price or as I had in the other thread a 5164R.

Your thoughts?

Two ways to look at it.

If you look at the watch "intrinsic value", ie how much of a "watch" it is, then definitely the Up/Down is more of a watch than say 5711 and 5164a because the Datograph is a manual winding chronograph, the movement better finished, more complicated, more high end.

However, if you look at it from a "Potential value" point of view, the 5711 even at premium, can be re-sold at near your original buying price. The Datograph, esp if bought at retail and depending on discount, will take a hit.

So it depend on your priorities.

Justindo · 20 July 2018, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by benlee

Two ways to look at it.

If you look at the watch "intrinsic value", ie how much of a "watch" it is, then definitely the Up/Down is more of a watch than say 5711 and 5164a because the Datograph is a manual winding chronograph, the movement better finished, more complicated, more high end.

However, if you look at it from a "Potential value" point of view, the 5711 even at premium, can be re-sold at near your original buying price. The Datograph, esp if bought at retail and depending on discount, will take a hit.

So it depend on your priorities.

Very good points. It really comes down to what watch you want and what you are willing to pay.

From my perspective, the Datograph new is underpriced, the 1815 Chronograph new is way underpriced, the 5146 new is overpriced, the 5711 new at MSRP is way overpriced, and the 5711 at street price is insanely priced. Clearly, however, my perspective is different from most on this board and different from those wanting the Nautilus.

SL BRABUS · 20 July 2018, 01:19 PM

5164R..

GB-man · 20 July 2018, 03:18 PM

Don’t buy any of those at grey prices unless you are tired of money and want to get rid of it.

lapince · 20 July 2018, 03:56 PM

5164R and second datograph

Flex368 · 20 July 2018, 05:03 PM

5164R

Helmi · 20 July 2018, 07:07 PM

Since you went the rose gold route, I recommend the 5711r at retail and call it a day...

Bearxj86 · 20 July 2018, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmi

Since you went the rose gold route, I recommend the 5711r at retail and call it a day...

This.

I do not recommend a 5164R for value retention. That is just me.

Ichiran · 20 July 2018, 07:22 PM

It's hard to predict future value of all these watches.

Just buy the one you like most.

Bearxj86 · 20 July 2018, 07:50 PM

https://youtu.be/io-exhrvCk0

Here is the 1815 vs datograph.

https://youtu.be/hRf7a_wM5Dc

Here is Patek 5170 vs 1815

I like 1815

Sonzy · 21 July 2018, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watchtabs

Hey guys

I'm going nuts here.

I started with a 5711 white idea, but for the 5711 premium I can buy a Rose Gold Datograph for the same price or as I had in the other thread a 5164R.

Your thoughts?

Watchtabs please watch this video then makeup your mind

https://youtu.be/VmKAMvwB4yc

Me personally I’ll go for the datograph

soundserious · 21 July 2018, 08:24 AM

First of all these watches could not be more different. It sounds like you just want to be relieved of 40-50k in a hurry.

Jay (Eire) · 21 July 2018, 10:56 AM

Datograph, all day. PT would be the obvious preference however if you feel you can wear the RG regularly and it fits your style then go for it.

I own both the 5711 and the PT Dato U/D. Apples and oranges obviously, but you are getting so so much more with the Dato. That we are talking about these two watches being in a similar price bracelet is just ridiculous.

Abdullasaif · 24 July 2018, 08:12 AM

Datograpgh is in a different league

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turborolex · 24 July 2018, 09:54 AM

As others have mentioned, 5711 vs Datograph is apples to oranges.

Whenever I bought a watch based on value vs a watch I wanted, I ended up buying the watch I wanted later anyway.

So, now I just get the watch I want and enjoy it

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subtona · 24 July 2018, 10:05 AM

the other choices are very very nice but the 5711 (blue) is the only one i would want to wear.

but current prices are unacceptable for me.

Fat_ninja · 24 July 2018, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watchtabs

Hey guys

I'm going nuts here.

I started with a 5711 white idea, but for the 5711 premium I can buy a Rose Gold Datograph for the same price or as I had in the other thread a 5164R.

Your thoughts?

Have your tried on the datograph. It’s thick. Very thick and not in a AP ROO kinda way. It reminds me of putting an actual pocket watch on your wrist

AK797 · 24 July 2018, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Have your tried on the datograph. It’s thick. Very thick and not in a AP ROO kinda way. It reminds me of putting an actual pocket watch on your wrist

That is one of the things that appeals to me about the Dato, and Langes, their olde worlde feel, but I don't like top heavy watches either and would put this on a thick padded sports strap to balance it out more.

1William · 24 July 2018, 09:05 PM

In the comparison I would go with the Lange as I think it is more of a watch than the 5711.

BreguetRolex · 24 July 2018, 10:24 PM

If you were to walk into L&S Boutique off of the streets and are willing to buy a watch on the spot, is it possible to get 20% off of retail..?

20 July 2018, 08:39 AM	#1
watchtabs "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Real Name: Charlie Location: Miami Posts: 1,534	5711 VS 5164R VS Datograph Rose Gold? SAME PRICE? Hey guys I'm going nuts here. I started with a 5711 white idea, but for the 5711 premium I can buy a Rose Gold Datograph for the same price or as I had in the other thread a 5164R. Your thoughts? __________________ I have all the grails I could ever want, but the hunt will always continue .

20 July 2018, 08:49 AM	#3
tyler1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 17,622	Dato in platinum otherwise no Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Instagram: tyler.watches current collection: Patek 5164A, Patek 5524G, Rolex Platinum Daytona 116506, Rolex Sea Dweller 43 126600, Rolex GMT II 116710LN, AP 15400ST (silver), Panerai 913, Omega Speedmaster moonwatch, Tudor Black Bay (Harrods Edition)

20 July 2018, 11:52 AM	#10
thomaspp "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 11,136	5711 VS 5164R VS Datograph Rose Gold? SAME PRICE? Don’t buy a 5711 at these silly gray market prices. Also don’t buy a Lange! Lol So I guess that leaves one choice Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Instagram: @watches_anonymous

20 July 2018, 01:19 PM	#13
SL BRABUS "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: U.S.A Watch: Only Rolex & Patek Posts: 3,339	5164R.. __________________ Rolex Forum: Mainly Rolex & Benz pictures...!!! Click the above link to join the club...^^^... "SL BRABUS" aka BenzWorld Undercover Moderator

20 July 2018, 03:18 PM	#14
GB-man 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 36,856	Don’t buy any of those at grey prices unless you are tired of money and want to get rid of it. __________________

20 July 2018, 08:45 AM	#2
CoveWatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: SoCal Watch: Rolex & AP Posts: 4,535	That datograph is just beautiful! And seems like so much bang for your buck at that price

20 July 2018, 08:50 AM	#4
GoingPlaces "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 5,341	I'd go Datograph, you can spend years staring at that movement.

20 July 2018, 08:52 AM	#5
Sam Philip Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 4,345	Rose Gold Datograph as I don't think 5711 is worth the premium.

20 July 2018, 09:36 AM	#6
tonupbklyn "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: bklyn Posts: 1,471	depends... what's ur wrist size? if we're talking the current gen 41mm and ur wrist is less than 7in, then I'd say u may not completely like the way it sits on the wrist. especially in comparison with the 5711 and 5164. the original 39mm dufourograph, on the other hand, is something else! i absolutely love the black dial with roman indices against the 39mm RG case. much cleaner without the power reserve indicator.

20 July 2018, 09:53 AM	#7
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,214	At 39mm I'd get the platinum, 41mm in RG is fine but I don't like the dial as much sans Romans.

20 July 2018, 10:56 AM	#8
Bearxj86 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Los Angeles Watch: 3970 Posts: 3,799	I like of like the 1815 chrono. The movement looks exactly the same but much slimmer. I think there is a limited edition one.

20 July 2018, 03:56 PM	#15
lapince "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Mars Watch: 5712 Posts: 11,509	5164R and second datograph

20 July 2018, 05:03 PM	#16
Flex368 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: Felix Location: GMT +1 Watch: Yes! Posts: 2,973	5164R

20 July 2018, 07:07 PM	#17
Helmi "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Doha Posts: 2,065	Since you went the rose gold route, I recommend the 5711r at retail and call it a day...

20 July 2018, 07:22 PM	#19
Ichiran 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Real Name: Michael Location: Dotonbori Watch: Mostly blue dials Posts: 7,593	It's hard to predict future value of all these watches. Just buy the one you like most.

20 July 2018, 07:50 PM	#20
Bearxj86 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Los Angeles Watch: 3970 Posts: 3,799	https://youtu.be/io-exhrvCk0 Here is the 1815 vs datograph. https://youtu.be/hRf7a_wM5Dc Here is Patek 5170 vs 1815 I like 1815

21 July 2018, 08:24 AM	#22
soundserious "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: usofmfa Posts: 3,157	First of all these watches could not be more different. It sounds like you just want to be relieved of 40-50k in a hurry. __________________ Instagram: soundsoserious

21 July 2018, 10:56 AM	#23
Jay (Eire) 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: @jb.watching Location: NYC Posts: 1,467	Datograph, all day. PT would be the obvious preference however if you feel you can wear the RG regularly and it fits your style then go for it. I own both the 5711 and the PT Dato U/D. Apples and oranges obviously, but you are getting so so much more with the Dato. That we are talking about these two watches being in a similar price bracelet is just ridiculous.

24 July 2018, 08:12 AM	#24
Abdullasaif "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Dubai Watch: bipolar Posts: 2,854	Datograpgh is in a different league Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

24 July 2018, 09:54 AM	#25
turborolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Real Name: H. Location: USA Posts: 564	As others have mentioned, 5711 vs Datograph is apples to oranges. Whenever I bought a watch based on value vs a watch I wanted, I ended up buying the watch I wanted later anyway. So, now I just get the watch I want and enjoy it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ current collection: Patek 5712, Patek 5726 (white), Patek 5990, Patek 5524G, Rolex 116500 (white & black), AP 26331ST (Blue).

24 July 2018, 10:05 AM	#26
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 25,987	the other choices are very very nice but the 5711 (blue) is the only one i would want to wear. but current prices are unacceptable for me. __________________

24 July 2018, 09:05 PM	#29
1William 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina Watch: Rolex/Others Posts: 44,641	In the comparison I would go with the Lange as I think it is more of a watch than the 5711.

24 July 2018, 10:24 PM	#30
BreguetRolex Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Colombo,SriLanka Watch: TIMEX Posts: 2,251	If you were to walk into L&S Boutique off of the streets and are willing to buy a watch on the spot, is it possible to get 20% off of retail..?

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