The Rolex Forums   The Rolex Watch

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX

Old 14 January 2020, 06:17 AM   #1
athom
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Paris (France)
Posts: 356
5513 vs 16520

Hi guys, I'd like your opinion. Whatever the money side, would you sell a 5513 meter first to get a 16520 black, inverted 6? Yes ? No ? Why ? Thanks !
athom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 January 2020, 06:26 AM   #2
Juhuatai
2020 Pledge Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Real Name: Frank
Location: Chicago
Watch: 1016 Explorer
Posts: 350
No, 4 digit is always better than 5 digit in my eyes.
Juhuatai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 January 2020, 07:35 AM   #3
1watch
"TRF" Member
 
1watch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: US
Posts: 267
It depends on the trade difference and overall condition of each piece. I have a 5513 maxi and white dialed 16520. I enjoy both and the 5513 has more of a full vintage feel, if thatís important to you. Both are great models.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
1watch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 January 2020, 06:13 PM   #4
cascavel
2020 Pledge Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: New York
Posts: 534
If your 5513 is all original and in good condition then, no.
cascavel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 January 2020, 08:06 PM   #5
athom
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Paris (France)
Posts: 356
Quote:
Originally Posted by cascavel View Post
If your 5513 is all original and in good condition then, no.
Very good condition, meter first, zinc sulfide, slightly polished and papers.

The daytona is unpolished, inverted 6 black, naked.
athom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 January 2020, 09:41 PM   #6
mountainjogger
2020 Pledge Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Real Name: H
Location: North Carolina
Watch: 114060
Posts: 2,135
For me it depends on which you prefer. I would go with 5513. But up to you.
__________________
The King of Cool.
mountainjogger is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 14 January 2020, 10:12 PM   #7
Yaz
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: GVA
Watch: Rolex 16710
Posts: 383
Quote:
Originally Posted by athom View Post
Very good condition, meter first, zinc sulfide, slightly polished and papers.

The daytona is unpolished, inverted 6 black, naked.
16520 inverted 6 (I assume a 93 S Series as I've got one before selling it so quickly) is a nice watch, but based on what you wrote, I'll never switch to the Sub Grail you've got.
Yaz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 14 January 2020, 10:15 PM   #8
Onequik135i
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,041
Since I’m partial to white dials and yours is a full set then I say no.
__________________
Current rotation: 16520 / 16710A / 2201.50
Onequik135i is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 14 January 2020, 10:45 PM   #9
1William
2020 Pledge Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: North Carolina
Watch: Rolex/Others
Posts: 23,280
I think it depends on the numbers. Both great watches. Which do you want?
1William is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 January 2020, 11:08 PM   #10
FTX I
2020 Pledge Member
 
FTX I's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Real Name: Flavio
Location: N/A
Posts: 11,756
I would not do it.
FTX I is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 January 2020, 12:27 AM   #11
zapokee
"TRF" Member
 
zapokee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Japan
Posts: 1,968
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juhuatai View Post
No, 4 digit is always better than 5 digit in my eyes.
This.
__________________
Instagram: zapokee
zapokee is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 15 January 2020, 01:48 AM   #12
jaisonline
2020 Pledge Member
 
jaisonline's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: USA
Watch: 5 digit models
Posts: 649
i love any red or meters first sub.

disregarding condition (i know, hard to do for WISers), i think there are far less inverted 6s 16520s out there but i could be wrong. many people forgot just how hard it was to obtain
16520s from 1988-1999 production run. Even PM models were tough to find at ADs.

Zenith only sold Rolex so many movements per year as they had other customers and then factor in the time it took rolex to edit the movement.

can someone who knows both these models chime in?
jaisonline is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 15 January 2020, 02:36 AM   #13
Kingface66
2020 Pledge Member
 
Kingface66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Real Name: Andy
Location: NYC
Watch: 1966 5513 Gilt
Posts: 2,151
It sounds like you want a 16520 and are seeking opinions that either support your desire or a valid reason why you shouldn't.
regardless, if you didn't own either, and you can have only one, which would it be?

Get that one.
Kingface66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 January 2020, 02:44 AM   #14
spoilsofwar01
"TRF" Member
 
spoilsofwar01's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Real Name: "H"
Location: England
Watch: ing Rainclouds
Posts: 1,037
5513

5513 forever 5513
__________________
"H"
5513 Submariner 1968
114270 Explorer 2005
Smiths W10 1968
Tissot Seastar 2011
spoilsofwar01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 January 2020, 03:38 AM   #15
1watch
"TRF" Member
 
1watch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: US
Posts: 267
5513 vs 16520

Would help to see pics of each and the trade deal. I do like the unpolished aspect of the 16520 over polished with papers...if all things were equal and comparing similar models, which these are not. If the deal seems reasonable, I would prefer the unpolished 16520 myself over a polished 5513 MF.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
1watch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 January 2020, 04:02 AM   #16
1665fan
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: East coast
Posts: 1,993
Hell yea!!! Black inverted 6 are rare
1665fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 January 2020, 04:34 AM   #17
jaisonline
2020 Pledge Member
 
jaisonline's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: USA
Watch: 5 digit models
Posts: 649
i picked up an unpolished A-serial 16520 two weeks ago. they are hard to find. my watch looks terrible from w/in 10" away but still beautiful. nice to see the true case design and clasp detail intended.

having said that, i've also seen and purchased polished watches that were done lightly / correctly. prob is too any folks butcher cases.

we would need to see pics of both watches the OP is talking about.


Quote:
Originally Posted by 1watch View Post
Would help to see pics of each and the trade deal. I do like the unpolished aspect of the 16520 over polished with papers...if all things were equal and comparing similar models, which these are not. If the deal seems reasonable, I would prefer the unpolished 16520 myself over a polished 5513 MF.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
jaisonline is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 15 January 2020, 05:47 AM   #18
Nauti
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: UK
Posts: 28
Zenith Daytonas are fabulous sub dial placement perfect glorious movement....

The last (A serial) pre intro of 116520 have Solid End Links making the bracelet nicer imho

That said who does not love a 5513

Both very different watches both with wow factor
Nauti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 January 2020, 05:57 AM   #19
1watch
"TRF" Member
 
1watch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: US
Posts: 267
Good information and opinions have been shared. OP should provide pics and pricing info. to really evaluate further.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
1watch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 January 2020, 09:25 PM   #20
athom
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Paris (France)
Posts: 356
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingface66 View Post
It sounds like you want a 16520 and are seeking opinions that either support your desire or a valid reason why you shouldn't.
regardless, if you didn't own either, and you can have only one, which would it be?

Get that one.
Indeed, I want the 16520. Regarding the one I want the most, I'd say the daytona, I guess because I don't have it...if I had the daytona maybe I'd more go for a 5513 I wouldn't own...that's for me the problem...I always have the ffeling to wish more for the watch I do not have yet...that's why I'm asking for opinions here... Thank y'all for your answers...
athom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 January 2020, 09:28 PM   #21
athom
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Paris (France)
Posts: 356
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1watch View Post
Good information and opinions have been shared. OP should provide pics and pricing info. to really evaluate further.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
First of all, that would not be the trade. What I'm talking about here is, on the one hand selling the 5513 and on the other hand, buying the zenith...

5513 : 18500Ä, slightly polished + papers, probably a later box...

16520 : 22500Ä, unpolished but worn, naked, but as soon as I wish to have it serviced by Rolex, I'd get a service card which is for me (and I guess not only for me) even better than the original papers (that can be fake...).

https://ibb.co/Hh7wcsY
https://ibb.co/R9CZGsW
https://ibb.co/sVZcxyh
https://ibb.co/YD10t1w
https://ibb.co/MfDMRSd
https://ibb.co/tmKMBjS

Thanks buddies !
athom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 January 2020, 10:18 PM   #22
1665fan
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: East coast
Posts: 1,993
Both are very nice...id say the Daytona has a had a light polish in the past or at least the bezel because the edges of the numbers and words show slight roundness to them...I have a few NOS bezels to compare it to...that being said the dial looks amazing. I like the trade even but adding 4K euro is a different story. Both are very nice watches
1665fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 January 2020, 11:58 PM   #23
1watch
"TRF" Member
 
1watch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: US
Posts: 267
Thanks for the pics. Both of these are really nice. Your 5513 has a great dial, hands and solid case it appears from the two pics. I think the crystal appears to be a service replacement and not a T19 superdome? Hard to tell if the 16520 bezel has really been polished or if itís just the light and angle making it appear possible. The bezel edge looks consistent and not warped, has a few marks, as does the crystal. The one lug pic looks sharp at the tip, which would be correct. It would be good to see each of the lug tips to compare the consistency. If you can confirm itís unpolished with an inspection period, I would be ok buying to see in person if itís a solid seller allowing a return. I would also try to close the gap a bit in the buy and sell side if you proceed. If you do get the 16520 and send to Rolex, be very clear not to let them polish it!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
1watch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16 January 2020, 01:53 AM   #24
swish77
2020 Pledge Member
 
swish77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Real Name: Aaron
Location: NYC
Watch: ing the time!
Posts: 4,121
This is like asking if you want steak or chicken for dinner. Two very different watches that are both great. Sometimes it might depend on mood/occasion when you'd want to wear a vintage Sub or a classic Zenith Daytona. And if you can only have one, it's a personal decision based on preference.

However, one thing would bug me about the 16520 ... that watch has been polished, IMHO, which in itself isn't a big deal ... except when a seller claims otherwise and is trying to charge more because of it. It's an old story, but "unpolished" is way over-used and very often inaccurate on these old watches. That example is certainly nice, but I see a watch that has been polished.

Unless your 16520 has lugs and crown guards that look like this example, it's most likely been polished. These are borrowed photos of a confirmed untouched 16520. Look how thick and sharp these lugs are.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Unpolished 16520-TRF.jpg (270.7 KB, 107 views)
File Type: jpg Unpolished 16520-TRF-2.jpg (270.7 KB, 105 views)
swish77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16 January 2020, 06:23 AM   #25
theflywrist
"TRF" Member
 
theflywrist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Stratosphere
Posts: 1,631
Quote:
Originally Posted by swish77 View Post
This is like asking if you want steak or chicken for dinner. Two very different watches that are both great. Sometimes it might depend on mood/occasion when you'd want to wear a vintage Sub or a classic Zenith Daytona. And if you can only have one, it's a personal decision based on preference.

However, one thing would bug me about the 16520 ... that watch has been polished, IMHO, which in itself isn't a big deal ... except when a seller claims otherwise and is trying to charge more because of it. It's an old story, but "unpolished" is way over-used and very often inaccurate on these old watches. That example is certainly nice, but I see a watch that has been polished.

Unless your 16520 has lugs and crown guards that look like this example, it's most likely been polished. These are borrowed photos of a confirmed untouched 16520. Look how thick and sharp these lugs are.
Agree with Aaron that it is a totally different type of watch, but not wrong answer. I could go either way.
These days I find myself sporting my 5 digit and even moderns alot simply for the durability, water resistance, etc.
The other watches you have in your collection also would play a role in this decision.
If you find that the Daytona would give you more joy, by all means make the trade. I don't think its a silly move.

The only thing I would like to add in addition to what Aaron said is that with zeniths and Daytonas particularly it is very difficult to tell whether "unpolished" or not. Bare in mind a early serial will naturally have a slimmer profile than one on an later A series. It was not different on vintage Daytonas either with regards to later cases being slightly larger, as with subs, etc etc. The profiles did change.
That particular zenith looks very nice to me, I really don't know about the market and I am not talking much about the difference in price that you would have to top up, but regarding the trade itself, I would probably make the trade if you felt the zenith would get more "wear".
theflywrist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16 January 2020, 10:07 PM   #26
vandoorn
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 13
No, never! The 5513 is a classic
vandoorn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16 January 2020, 11:02 PM   #27
mondo74
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: sydney
Posts: 209
Quote:
Originally Posted by athom View Post
Indeed, I want the 16520. Regarding the one I want the most, I'd say the daytona, I guess because I don't have it...if I had the daytona maybe I'd more go for a 5513 I wouldn't own...that's for me the problem...I always have the ffeling to wish more for the watch I do not have yet...that's why I'm asking for opinions here... Thank y'all for your answers...
Exactly. I'm the same.

Sent from my CLT-L29 using Tapatalk
mondo74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


*Banners Of The Month*
This space is provided to horological resources.





Copyright ©2004-2019, The Rolex Forums. All Rights Reserved.

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX

Rolex is a registered trademark of ROLEX USA. The Rolex Forums is not affiliated with ROLEX USA in any way.