Flea market find! REAL OR FAKE?

[Princeof pasha]

Hi found this at a flea market. Probably a fake but thought i would share to see if it is worth repairing. Thanks in advance

[Yellow5]

Two tone models can pretty easily be identified as fakes by weight. I’ll defer to the real experts on the details, but I haven’t seen a fake that tries to clone the extra weight from gold.

[Princeof pasha]

I tried to upload pictures of the strap but the file was too large

[MrGoat]

The hour marker at 12 o’clock looks suspect to me (it could just be the angle). I’m not an expert on any of them though and the 11 series is my least favorite so I never really pay attention to them.

I probably would have taken the gamble if the price was right. What did you pay?


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[Slimpee]

Can we get a shot of the movement?

[Princeof pasha]

I didn’t get it in the end as he wanted £200 but I was too nervous. I do know him and he said he would hold it for me

[Princeof pasha]

I can email the high quality pictures of the face and strap. At least 4 links were missing though so wouldn’t fit my wrist

[Thuilln]

I think you can answer your question yourself.

[Princeof pasha]

Originally Posted by Thuilln

I think you can answer your question yourself.

Fair enough……

[Princeof pasha]

Originally Posted by Princeof pasha

I can email the high quality pictures of the face and strap. At least 4 links were missing though so wouldn’t fit my wrist

Not that this makes any difference

[Yellow5]

At 200, you don’t need to ask. If it were real, the gold melt would be worth more than that, so you can rule out that it is stolen. 99% chance this is one of the super fakes that goes for less than a grand brand new, and with the damage it will cost a fair bit to fix. No value here.

[Princeof pasha]

Originally Posted by Yellow5

At 200, you don’t need to ask. If it were real, the gold melt would be worth more than that, so you can rule out that it is stolen. 99% chance this is one of the super fakes that goes for less than a grand brand new, and with the damage it will cost a fair bit to fix. No value here.

Thanks, although the seller is known for need fast cash to procure the white stuff pretty sharpish

[Princeof pasha]

Originally Posted by Slimpee

Can we get a shot of the movement?

I didn’t have anything to open it with, I will try and get him to send a picture. Probably a waste of time judging by the replies.

[JayBlack]

I'd have taken the risk. If it would be fake it would've shown signs of the gold parts fading and revealing the regular metal underneath. From the pics the watch looks pretty banged up but all the gold looks intact.
For 200 Quid I'd have risked it. Worst case scenario it'd make a funny story.
Also cyclops and date seem to be spot on on the pics, and that's usually a dead giveaway on fakes.

[gjs1965]

Why would someone treat it so badly if it was real?

[MrGoat]

I don’t believe the flip lock is genuine.

And further inspection of the dial leads me to believe the minute hand is not authentic either.

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[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by gjs1965

Why would someone treat it so badly if it was real?

Some people have the mentality of “why spend x amount on a watch to not enjoy it and just stare at it in the safe?”. Myself included.


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[RJM25R]

Originally Posted by Princeof pasha

Hi found this at a flea market. Probably a fake but thought i would share to see if it is worth repairing. Thanks in advance

Look at where the bezel insert is missing

[Princeof pasha]

Originally Posted by MrGoat

I don’t believe the flip lock is genuine.

And further inspection of the dial leads me to believe the minute hand is not authentic either.

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Really?

[Princeof pasha]

Originally Posted by Princeof pasha

Really?

Other side of strap

[dmash]

Why don’t you guys understand that flea market finds don’t happen anymore. 30 years ago before the internet was a resource, yes, you could find steals. Now there is a wealth of info and guys/websites you can email, so many different ways to verify price and/or legitimacy for ANY type of item. You seriously think some guy in modern day has a potential Rolex and just sells it onwards for 200gbp instead of seeing if it’s real? Like come on

I don’t understand why this is so hard to grasp

[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by Princeof pasha

Really?

Yep.


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[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by dmash

Why don’t you guys understand that flea market finds don’t happen anymore. 30 years ago before the internet was a resource, yes, you could find steals. Now there is a wealth of info and guys/websites you can email, so many different ways to verify price and/or legitimacy for ANY type of item. You seriously think some guy in modern day has a potential Rolex and just sells it onwards for 200gbp instead of seeing if it’s real? Like come on

I don’t understand why this is so hard to grasp

There is still deals they’re just few and far between. Most either don’t care or presume it’s fake.

I have a buddy who’s mantra is “when in doubt, throw it out.” I’d go so far as to say he’s not that extreme compared to some that just bring in a dumpster and completely clean out grandpas house with no regard because in their mind everything is junk.


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[PL4444]

It's not even a good fake.

[mattf]

Originally Posted by gjs1965

Why would someone treat it so badly if it was real?

Must have been a metal detecting beach find...In all seriousness I would not waste $200 on it!

[2loaded]

Let's see the movement, the escapement in particular.
We then can decide if the seller gets his "white stuff"

[cerendigit]

Fake. Forget about it.

[mkruger311]

Fake and not even a good one at that.

[gmtmister]

As many have pointed out, this is fake. A bad one too.

[MrGoat]

All you all saying fake, if there’s something I’m missing please DM me and let me know the issues you’re seeing if they’re different than what I’ve called out.

I probably would have bought this for 200 quid so any knowledgeable reasons not to are appreciated.


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