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Token74 · 23 January 2019, 12:13 AM

Hi all

Keen to know which watch-makers people on this forum (clearly lovers of Patek) rate equal to or above Patek, and why?

Cheers

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Sam Philip · 23 January 2019, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Token74

Hi all

Keen to know which watch-makers people on this forum (clearly lovers of Patek) rate equal to or above Patek, and why?

Cheers

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I rate Greubel Forsey ahead of Patek for their engineering and finishing.

GB-man · 23 January 2019, 12:36 AM

In terms of the whole package including brand I put nobody above Patek.

In terms of the watches without bias there are many, as noted GF for sure.

I’d say Journe, ALS, and a handful of other small independents. Honestly VC still belongs at the table as far as I’m concerned. Their high end stuff is really impressive.

rw2008 · 23 January 2019, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

In terms of the whole package including brand I put nobody above Patek.

In terms of the watches without bias there are many, as noted GF for sure.

I’d say Journe, ALS, and a handful of other small independents. Honestly VC still belongs at the table as far as I’m concerned. Their high end stuff is really impressive.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly

rolexpatek363 · 23 January 2019, 01:53 AM

FPJ and Roger Smith for sure.

Peterandwatches · 23 January 2019, 02:34 AM

The Ferrier micro-rotor movement is drop dead gorgeous.

RussW · 23 January 2019, 03:01 AM

Pre sale, Patek my clear all round favourite. Post sale could be very different.

Calatrava r · 23 January 2019, 04:19 AM

Patek leads the industry on resale. Brands like Urban Jurgensen are every bit as good if not better. The dials, case and movement finish, technology and feel of the UJ is much nicer in my opinion than Patek. Similar price point watches.

enjoythemusic · 23 January 2019, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

In terms of the whole package including brand I put nobody above Patek.

That's very debatable, yet this is a fanboy board so....

ap1 · 23 January 2019, 05:21 AM

None

GB-man · 23 January 2019, 05:22 AM

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That's very debatable, yet this is a fanboy board so....

Happy to hear your debate Steven. If you start with Rolex it won’t be a long debate

R!$ · 23 January 2019, 06:02 AM

ALS, VC, and AP

AlyRba · 23 January 2019, 06:30 AM

Taking aside resale value for Nautilus/Aquanaut lines and crazy appreciation of old PCCs, Lange and F.P. Journe are better than Patek in aesthetics, movement finishing, and exclusivity. VC is at par with Patek for their lower and mid tier range but their high end range including Meteir d'Art have a clear edge on corresponding offerings from Patek. This is ofcourse IMHO.

I have taken Lange, Journe, and VC as an example as they are at a similar price point to Patek. If price was no objection, independents like Kari Voutilainen are clearly a step above Patek.

dbfagan · 23 January 2019, 07:13 AM

ALS is the only brand that I have first hand experience with. Resale is horrible which I cannot figure out. My last new Patek, a 5164, quit working within a month. Also, my 3970 had issues with the leap year thing - I was quoted $2k and 24 months to repair by HSWA in NY.

I have sadly given up on the brand at this point. Having said that, if I was offered a deal on a 3940P I'd probably pull the trigger:)

codecow · 23 January 2019, 08:05 AM

Kari Voutalinen, Dufour, FPJ, etc...

woodsworth · 23 January 2019, 08:11 AM

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Kari Voutalinen, Dufour, FPJ, etc...

Sonzy · 23 January 2019, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by codecow

Kari Voutalinen, Dufour, FPJ

I’ll add to the above ALS & Forsey

AK797 · 23 January 2019, 10:11 AM

Patek are the number one brand, but as said lots of indie bespoke watchmakers that are above them naturally, and a true Englishman should only be considering GF amongst all these EU impostors.

s.m.b. · 23 January 2019, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Patek are the number one brand, but as said lots of indie bespoke watchmakers that are above them naturally, and a true Englishman should only be considering GF amongst all these EU impostors.

What about Roger W. Smith?

GB-man · 23 January 2019, 12:56 PM

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What about Roger W. Smith?

Or this Daniel Wellington everyone on the AP forum is in love with. He sounds English to me.

thomaspp · 23 January 2019, 01:18 PM

Is patek a watchmaker?

Rolex is the top dog in vintage and modern...

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tom2517 · 23 January 2019, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

In terms of the whole package including brand I put nobody above Patek.

In terms of the watches without bias there are many, as noted GF for sure.

I’d say Journe, ALS, and a handful of other small independents. Honestly VC still belongs at the table as far as I’m concerned. Their high end stuff is really impressive.

Same here, although in terms of finishing I would also throw in anything from Seiko's micro artist studio above Patek.

DasKptl · 23 January 2019, 03:14 PM

1. Patek is still the king.

(FP Journe, Gruebel and other small independents, while interesting, do not have a full-scale lineup of collections of watches. And so, they should not be in comparison.)

2. Vacheron is the second. (Their dress watches are better designed than Calatravas. Amazing high-complication watches. Overseas is underrated.)

3. Lange is the third. (I appreciate their movements. But their case design is boring. Their weakest point is the lack of sport watches.)

***I wouldn't even consider Audemars. (I'm bored with Royal Oak. Their dress watches are unattractive. And the CODE 11.59?--Yuck!

)

comanndr · 23 January 2019, 03:42 PM

patek #1
journe distant #2
everyone else #3

GB-man · 23 January 2019, 04:10 PM

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Same here, although in terms of finishing I would also throw in anything from Seiko's micro artist studio above Patek.

Without question the high end Seiko stuff goes toe to toe with anyone for finishing.

AK797 · 23 January 2019, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by s.m.b.

What about Roger W. Smith?

I've met Stephen Forsey so I'd go with him first.

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Originally Posted by GB-man

Or this Daniel Wellington everyone on the AP forum is in love with. He sounds English to me.

Yeah the comparisons to a myriad of brands, some of them I'd never heard of, makes me think maybe the watch market isn't in such a dark place after all.

Token74 · 23 January 2019, 09:58 PM

Thanks guys, really interesting. Spent many hours last night researching all these and whereas previously I paid very little attention to ALS and VC, I am now properly smitten with them! Uh oh!

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LPPP · 24 January 2019, 12:18 AM

Impressed by what human hands can do.
To me, it’s one’s obsession in his/her own trade - a step beyond craftmanship.

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GB-man · 24 January 2019, 02:51 AM

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Impressed by what human hands can do.
To me, it’s one’s obsession in his/her own trade - a step beyond craftmanship.

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Nice Lange

Zuger · 24 January 2019, 04:14 AM

Have to give FPJ credit where credit is due. Their dedication to creating beautifully decorated movements in gold is very admirable.

23 January 2019, 01:18 PM	#21
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23 January 2019, 09:58 PM	#27
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23 January 2019, 12:13 AM	#1
Token74 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Vince Location: England Watch: Too many! Posts: 5,707	Better than Patek? Hi all Keen to know which watch-makers people on this forum (clearly lovers of Patek) rate equal to or above Patek, and why? Cheers Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Time is limited, make every second count. Patek Philippe Nautilus 5990 - AP Royal Oak 15300 - AP Royal Oak 15450 Blue - AP Royal Oak 15450 Silver - AP Royal Oak Offshore 26480 - Royal Oak Offshore 15710 - Rolex Sea Dweller 116600 - Rolex Daytona 116519 - Rolex GMT 126710 BLRO - Omega Speedmaster Reduced - JLC Reverso GMT Moonphase - TAG Microtimer - Dent Pocket Watch - JLC Atmos Phases de lune

23 January 2019, 12:36 AM	#3
GB-man 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 36,862	In terms of the whole package including brand I put nobody above Patek. In terms of the watches without bias there are many, as noted GF for sure. I’d say Journe, ALS, and a handful of other small independents. Honestly VC still belongs at the table as far as I’m concerned. Their high end stuff is really impressive. __________________

23 January 2019, 01:53 AM	#5
rolexpatek363 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: up a hill Posts: 1,641	FPJ and Roger Smith for sure.

23 January 2019, 02:34 AM	#6
Peterandwatches "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: WA Watch: 5167/15400/Sub/JLC Posts: 1,023	The Ferrier micro-rotor movement is drop dead gorgeous.

23 January 2019, 03:01 AM	#7
RussW "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: England Watch: 5990 Posts: 3,340	Pre sale, Patek my clear all round favourite. Post sale could be very different.

23 January 2019, 04:19 AM	#8
Calatrava r 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: United States Watch: Rolex and Patek Posts: 10,595	Patek leads the industry on resale. Brands like Urban Jurgensen are every bit as good if not better. The dials, case and movement finish, technology and feel of the UJ is much nicer in my opinion than Patek. Similar price point watches.

23 January 2019, 05:21 AM	#10
ap1 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: usa Posts: 19,042	None

23 January 2019, 06:02 AM	#12
R!$ Banned Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,405	ALS, VC, and AP

23 January 2019, 06:30 AM	#13
AlyRba "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: USA Posts: 349	Taking aside resale value for Nautilus/Aquanaut lines and crazy appreciation of old PCCs, Lange and F.P. Journe are better than Patek in aesthetics, movement finishing, and exclusivity. VC is at par with Patek for their lower and mid tier range but their high end range including Meteir d'Art have a clear edge on corresponding offerings from Patek. This is ofcourse IMHO. I have taken Lange, Journe, and VC as an example as they are at a similar price point to Patek. If price was no objection, independents like Kari Voutilainen are clearly a step above Patek.

23 January 2019, 07:13 AM	#14
dbfagan "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Real Name: David Location: NOVA Posts: 530	ALS is the only brand that I have first hand experience with. Resale is horrible which I cannot figure out. My last new Patek, a 5164, quit working within a month. Also, my 3970 had issues with the leap year thing - I was quoted $2k and 24 months to repair by HSWA in NY. I have sadly given up on the brand at this point. Having said that, if I was offered a deal on a 3940P I'd probably pull the trigger:)

23 January 2019, 08:05 AM	#15
codecow "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Louis Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: PP 5131R Posts: 4,785	Kari Voutalinen, Dufour, FPJ, etc...

23 January 2019, 10:11 AM	#18
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,232	Patek are the number one brand, but as said lots of indie bespoke watchmakers that are above them naturally, and a true Englishman should only be considering GF amongst all these EU impostors.

23 January 2019, 03:14 PM	#23
DasKptl Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Chicago Posts: 378	1. Patek is still the king. (FP Journe, Gruebel and other small independents, while interesting, do not have a full-scale lineup of collections of watches. And so, they should not be in comparison.) 2. Vacheron is the second. (Their dress watches are better designed than Calatravas. Amazing high-complication watches. Overseas is underrated.) 3. Lange is the third. (I appreciate their movements. But their case design is boring. Their weakest point is the lack of sport watches.) ***I wouldn't even consider Audemars. (I'm bored with Royal Oak. Their dress watches are unattractive. And the CODE 11.59?--Yuck! )

23 January 2019, 03:42 PM	#24
comanndr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Real Name: rich Location: florida Watch: 16570 polar16610lv Posts: 208	patek #1 journe distant #2 everyone else #3

24 January 2019, 12:18 AM	#28
LPPP "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Universe Posts: 87	Impressed by what human hands can do. To me, it’s one’s obsession in his/her own trade - a step beyond craftmanship. FC8B0987-E5B2-4D08-8038-FA63BC938233.jpeg

24 January 2019, 04:14 AM	#30
Zuger "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Richard Location: USA Watch: me set the time Posts: 2,518	Have to give FPJ credit where credit is due. Their dedication to creating beautifully decorated movements in gold is very admirable.

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