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JJ Irani · 14 July 2010, 04:19 AM

Hi guys,

The ever popular calibre 3135 has been going strong since 1989, and 21 years hence, is still being used in even their very latest Ceramic Subs as well as the DSSD.

Rolex must have done something right the very first time they came up with this movement...............which makes you wonder what else they can do to improve on it?

JJ

Prince · 14 July 2010, 04:22 AM

Can't disagree with that assessment, JJ. It is the epitome of classic elegance in engineering!!

TheVTCGuy · 14 July 2010, 04:25 AM

Agree JJ, althought the watchmaker at my AD told me that Rolex just patented... something or other... about a Silicone spring(?)

Honestly, it went way over my head and I could be off base, but he said it was a tremendous breakthrough in the industry and Rolex would start incorporating it in to all their movements.

Larry? Anyone? Know anything about this supposed revolutionary patent?

Jackxv · 14 July 2010, 04:28 AM

Next steps will be improvement of spring (as said earlier in this post) and make the wach even more shock absorbant.

Jack

dinan545bmw · 14 July 2010, 04:40 AM

Yes, I often wonder about this also!!

A recent WatchTime Magazine article cited their Kif shock absorption, fine regulation via Microstella screws on the balance; Glucydur balance, blue Parachrom hairspring with Breguet overcoil (for superior shock damping and magnetic resistance) as being small, but further refinements to their very reliable, robust and proven Caliber 3135 movement - all recently introduced to their various new sports models.

But, you're absolutely right.

Improvements made to otherwise near 'perfection' is, if anything, truly incremental at best.

I'm sure Rolex horologist are challenged and taxed in search of the next 'holy grail' in terms of movement.

No pun intended here, but only time will tell I suppose.

BEST REGARDS

CaveDiver · 14 July 2010, 04:40 AM

Sure,
Develop friction free contacts: escapement wheel for example.
Sealed areas to eliminate general service requirements and lubricants.
Longer reserve time..
Just a few examples…

SCD · 14 July 2010, 04:40 AM

Short of switching to quartz, I wouldn't know! :)

mike · 14 July 2010, 04:45 AM

No doubt it's one of the most rugged movements made. Be nice if they could remove some of the play in the hands set.

Rolesor · 14 July 2010, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaveDiver

Sure,
Develop friction free contacts: escapement wheel for example.
Sealed areas to eliminate general service requirements and lubricants.
Longer reserve time..
Just a few examples…

Longer reserve would be interesting and the need for less servicing would be nice too,,

I'm happy with 48 hours thought because I'll be wearing it every single day

Omega_Precision · 14 July 2010, 05:02 AM

They can't really improve a great movement such as the 3135.

I think the next step is to dress it up?

Rolesor · 14 July 2010, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega_Precision

They can't really improve a great movement such as the 3135.

I think the next step is to dress it up?

Is there any apparent reason as to why it is seemingly "un dressed" for a lack of better term?

Does that affect it's performance / longevity?

mike · 14 July 2010, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolesor

Is there any apparent reason as to why it is seemingly "un dressed" for a lack of better term?

Does that affect it's performance / longevity?

No. Rolex movements are traditionally rugged. Pretty is for others.

Jocke · 14 July 2010, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Hi guys,

The ever popular calibre 3135 has been going strong since 1989, and 21 years hence, is still being used in even their very latest Ceramic Subs as well as the DSSD.

Rolex must have done something right the very first time they came up with this movement...............which makes you wonder what else they can do to improve on it?

JJ

Are you trying to tell us it's the same with Mazda?

Jocke · 14 July 2010, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaveDiver

Sure,
Develop friction free contacts: escapement wheel for example.
Sealed areas to eliminate general service requirements and lubricants.
Longer reserve time..
Just a few examples…

Why longer reserve time? Do you not use to move your arm in about 45 hours?

MagedMS · 14 July 2010, 05:25 AM

Does anybody know what's the classification of this movement compared to the other top watch manufacturer ?

CaveDiver · 14 July 2010, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jocke

Why longer reserve time? Do you not use to move your arm in about 45 hours?

more like don't wear for one or two days

Jocke · 14 July 2010, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaveDiver

more like don't wear for one or two days

Maybe a OysterQuartz is the way to go?

therolexguy · 14 July 2010, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolesor

Is there any apparent reason as to why it is seemingly "un dressed" for a lack of better term?

Does that affect it's performance / longevity?

Unfortunately, only most watchmakers actually see the movement. Since they don't use skeleton casebacks........it just works.

ParisDakarBmw · 14 July 2010, 05:38 AM

How about making the components of lighter composite metals?

Puffy · 14 July 2010, 05:51 AM

True workhorse!

JJ Irani · 14 July 2010, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jocke

Are you trying to tell us it's the same with Mazda?

HONK!! HONK!! I was hoping you'd chime in with something more constructive, Jocke!!

Jocke · 14 July 2010, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

HONK!! HONK!! I was hoping you'd chime in with something more constructive, Jocke!!

Mercedes?

Shade · 14 July 2010, 06:38 AM

I think the movement is just nice, more decoration on it plus a display caseback may also be a nice fit..

esm · 14 July 2010, 06:47 AM

guess there is no 3136 then...?

SSSS · 14 July 2010, 07:19 AM

Sealed and maintenance free. Also, isn't there always room for more accurate Rolex movements?

rfknauss · 14 July 2010, 08:54 AM

JJ, a truly impressive piece of engineering by Rolex!

jatco · 14 July 2010, 10:09 AM

Love to view that movement.
Excellence imo.
(tho I thought Ive read in other posts that the 3035 was more robust, harder and a better finish than the 3135).
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...=3035+movement
.
Still, the movement is a gem..!

Perdu · 14 July 2010, 10:35 AM

Perpetual date

Balboa · 14 July 2010, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Agree JJ, althought the watchmaker at my AD told me that Rolex just patented... something or other... about a Silicone spring(?)

Honestly, it went way over my head and I could be off base, but he said it was a tremendous breakthrough in the industry and Rolex would start incorporating it in to all their movements.

Larry? Anyone? Know anything about this supposed revolutionary patent?

He was probably referring to a silicon (no e) hairspring. I have not heard of one coming from Rolex, but I have no knowledge of what wonders are being worked on deep in Rolex R&D. (Neither do AD's).

Others are already using silicon hairsprings in limited production. Patek Philippe, Breguet and I believe Cartier among some others are using silicon.

Advantages are silicon is very resistant to magnetism, temperature change and shock.

In any case, I would not expect this technology to be retrofitted to an existing older movement such as the 3135 discussed in this thread.

But again, who really knows?

Mark

ayres · 14 July 2010, 11:27 AM

HA!... i know, put lipstick on it and increase the price like they have for two decades!

14 July 2010, 04:19 AM	#1
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,320	I wonder what more Rolex can do to improve on this movement? Hi guys, The ever popular calibre 3135 has been going strong since 1989, and 21 years hence, is still being used in even their very latest Ceramic Subs as well as the DSSD. Rolex must have done something right the very first time they came up with this movement...............which makes you wonder what else they can do to improve on it? JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

14 July 2010, 04:22 AM	#2
Prince "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Real Name: Allan Location: St. Augustine, FL Watch: Daytona/Sub/GMT/DJ Posts: 20,323	Can't disagree with that assessment, JJ. It is the epitome of classic elegance in engineering!! __________________ Member: Rolex Keeper's Society "You see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself." - Rick Nelson

14 July 2010, 05:25 AM	#15
MagedMS "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Maged Location: Egypt Watch: SUBMARINER 114060 Posts: 514	3135 Does anybody know what's the classification of this movement compared to the other top watch manufacturer ? __________________ ROLEX SUBMARINER-114060/116610 LN/116613 LB ROLEX DEEPSEA-116660/116660 DBL/SD43-126600 ROLEX GMT II C-116710 LN/EXPLORER II-216570 BK ROLEX DAYTONA-116503 BLABR ROLEX MILLGAUSS-116400 GV

14 July 2010, 05:51 AM	#20
Puffy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 12,485	True workhorse! __________________ Fine Quality is Long Remembered After the Pain of Spending Money is Forgotten

14 July 2010, 08:54 AM	#26
rfknauss 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Richard Location: Macungie, PA Watch: 5513 Sub, LV Sub Posts: 14,492	JJ, a truly impressive piece of engineering by Rolex! __________________ *"Few things in life give man as great a pleasure as wearing a Rolex!"* TRF's "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Patron

14 July 2010, 04:25 AM	#3
TheVTCGuy Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Paul Location: San Diego Watch: 126619LB Posts: 21,540	Agree JJ, althought the watchmaker at my AD told me that Rolex just patented... something or other... about a Silicone spring(?) Honestly, it went way over my head and I could be off base, but he said it was a tremendous breakthrough in the industry and Rolex would start incorporating it in to all their movements. Larry? Anyone? Know anything about this supposed revolutionary patent?

14 July 2010, 04:28 AM	#4
Jackxv "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 969	Next steps will be improvement of spring (as said earlier in this post) and make the wach even more shock absorbant. Jack

14 July 2010, 04:40 AM	#5
dinan545bmw Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 365	Yes, I often wonder about this also!! A recent WatchTime Magazine article cited their Kif shock absorption, fine regulation via Microstella screws on the balance; Glucydur balance, blue Parachrom hairspring with Breguet overcoil (for superior shock damping and magnetic resistance) as being small, but further refinements to their very reliable, robust and proven Caliber 3135 movement - all recently introduced to their various new sports models. But, you're absolutely right. Improvements made to otherwise near 'perfection' is, if anything, truly incremental at best. I'm sure Rolex horologist are challenged and taxed in search of the next 'holy grail' in terms of movement. No pun intended here, but only time will tell I suppose. BEST REGARDS

14 July 2010, 04:40 AM	#6
CaveDiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,075	Sure, Develop friction free contacts: escapement wheel for example. Sealed areas to eliminate general service requirements and lubricants. Longer reserve time.. Just a few examples…

14 July 2010, 04:40 AM	#7
SCD "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 511	Short of switching to quartz, I wouldn't know! :)

14 July 2010, 04:45 AM	#8
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	No doubt it's one of the most rugged movements made. Be nice if they could remove some of the play in the hands set.

14 July 2010, 05:02 AM	#10
Omega_Precision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Henry Location: CA, US Watch: ing basketball Posts: 2,977	They can't really improve a great movement such as the 3135. I think the next step is to dress it up?

14 July 2010, 05:38 AM	#19
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	How about making the components of lighter composite metals?

14 July 2010, 06:38 AM	#23
Shade "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Norman Location: Jakarta Watch: All of 'em.. Posts: 2,926	I think the movement is just nice, more decoration on it plus a display caseback may also be a nice fit..

14 July 2010, 06:47 AM	#24
esm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Location,Location Watch: this, bro... Posts: 15,340	guess there is no 3136 then...?

14 July 2010, 07:19 AM	#25
SSSS "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: USA Posts: 198	Sealed and maintenance free. Also, isn't there always room for more accurate Rolex movements?

14 July 2010, 10:09 AM	#27
jatco 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Thomas Location: YVR Watch: 116233/79190 Posts: 47,769	Love to view that movement. Excellence imo. (tho I thought Ive read in other posts that the 3035 was more robust, harder and a better finish than the 3135). http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...=3035+movement . Still, the movement is a gem..! __________________ . . ' A Crown for every achievement '

14 July 2010, 10:35 AM	#28
Perdu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Gary Location: GMT-6 Watch: GMT Posts: 3,350	Perpetual date __________________ Omega Seamaster 300M GMT Noire Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra 8500 Benson 1937 Sterling Silver Hunter

14 July 2010, 11:27 AM	#30
ayres "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: honolulu Watch: whatever runs Posts: 551	HA!... i know, put lipstick on it and increase the price like they have for two decades!

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