Pepsi bezel fading

[CyrusVines]

Here you go guys, a bit older though (1953)...
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In need of a new bracelet but can't seem to find any period correct bracelets floating around. Perhaps I'll order a new oyster bracelet from Rolex - any thoughts?

[RC2]

Trusted seller here. Rolex won't have time period ones


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[CyrusVines]

Originally Posted by RC2

Trusted seller here. Rolex won't have time period ones


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Please send me a DM. Thanks

[charlitos]

Hi!

[roh123]

I like this fade.

[Tom1675]

Originally Posted by roh123

I like this fade.

I love that dial fade. Great piece!

[roh123]

Originally Posted by Tom1675

I love that dial fade. Great piece!

Thanks Tom!

[1675-David]

Gorgeous Per

[roh123]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

Gorgeous Per

Tack David

[herts9]

I bet that watch can tell some stories! Very nice

[DSplash]

Hi
Sorry to dig up such an old topic but I’ve been searching about 1675 inserts and the way they fade and found useful info here!

I’m currently looking for a mint gilt 1675 and find questions along the way...Are all gilt 1675 supposed to originally have red back inserts? If it has a blue back one, it is necessarily a service later one?
When I think about it, I would assume that a red back insert was originally all red and half of it was painted blue and the opposite on a blue back...Is that true? If that’s the case, shouldn’t the blue fade faster on a red back and the red on a blue back? It seems to be the case most of the time but I’ve seen pictures of the opposite...How can it be?

Is there a tell to know for sure if a bezel has a red or blue back from front pictures?


What is the correct time period for super fat font on gilt inserts?
On some pictures I see the line between blue and red between the « 1 » and « 8 » of the « 18 » and sometimes it’s on the 8...Is it a period/font reference?

I’m lost here this is extremely complicated

Thanks!


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[springer]

Originally Posted by DSplash

Hi
Sorry to dig up such an old topic but I’ve been searching about 1675 inserts and the way they fade and found useful info here!

I’m currently looking for a mint gilt 1675 and find questions along the way...Are all gilt 1675 supposed to originally have red back inserts? If it has a blue back one, it is necessarily a service later one?
When I think about it, I would assume that a red back insert was originally all red and half of it was painted blue and the opposite on a blue back...Is that true? If that’s the case, shouldn’t the blue fade faster on a red back and the red on a blue back? It seems to be the case most of the time but I’ve seen pictures of the opposite...How can it be?

Is there a tell to know for sure if a bezel has a red or blue back from front pictures?


What is the correct time period for super fat font on gilt inserts?
On some pictures I see the line between blue and red between the « 1 » and « 8 » of the « 18 » and sometimes it’s on the 8...Is it a period/font reference?

I’m lost here this is extremely complicated

Thanks!


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All the gilt GMTs had red back bezel inserts. The super fat fonts can be found on original watches from around 1970-71. Of course owners have been known to use them on gilts and other years.

For me, the super fat fonts are very fat and the 8s are almost closed in the upper opening as depicted in the attached photo.

[DSplash]

Originally Posted by springer

All the gilt GMTs had red back bezel inserts. The super fat fonts can be found on original watches from around 1970-71. Of course owners have been known to use them on gilts and other years.



For me, the super fat fonts are very fat and the 8s are almost closed in the upper opening as depicted in the attached photo.

Thanks for the pictures, the closed 8 is pretty clear now! So the super fat font would actually be posterior to the gilt era...

What about my assumption that red back insert were first coated in red then half re-coated in blue? It’s the l my reason I see for a coating on the back side of the insert...If it is the case, how can a genuine red back insert be more faded on the red side than on the blue one?



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[Rolex5512]

Is there a particular bezel insert tone that was prominent in the early 60s? More copper/orange red, perhaps?

Thank you!

[roh123]

Originally Posted by Rolex5512

Is there a particular bezel insert tone that was prominent in the early 60s? More copper/orange red, perhaps?

Thank you!

They often fade like this. You would want to find an insert with a slightly smaller (but wider) triangle from the 60’s. That is the best tell imho.

[DSplash]

Originally Posted by roh123

They often fade like this. You would want to find an insert with a slightly smaller (but wider) triangle from the 60’s. That is the best tell imho.

Lovely!


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[Rolex5512]

Originally Posted by roh123

They often fade like this. You would want to find an insert with a slightly smaller (but wider) triangle from the 60’s. That is the best tell imho.

Beautiful example! Thanks for the info!

[DSplash]

So to the 1675 experts here who have had many examples in hand : when we see a nice gilt 1675 with an insert faded on the red side (blue almost intact), can it be a period correct red back or is it more likely to be a service blue back?


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[Zepman]

Can someone explain the “pink lady” variant bezel I’ve seen the on 1675’s 16700’s
Is this rare?

[Vincent65]

Originally Posted by DSplash

What about my assumption that red back insert were first coated in red then half re-coated in blue? It’s the l my reason I see for a coating on the back side of the insert...If it is the case, how can a genuine red back insert be more faded on the red side than on the blue one?

I'd venture it's because red usually fades more, and more quickly - pretty much universally. I see it all the time with red cars (more than any other colour, that I've noticed), and traffic signs, for example.

[DSplash]

Hi!

I’m looking for an orange faded insert for a 1675 gilt. Does this one seem ok?
Thanks!




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[Vincent65]

Originally Posted by DSplash

Hi!

I’m looking for an orange faded insert for a 1675 gilt. Does this one seem ok?
Thanks!

Looks good to me, and period-correct colour-fade for gilt, i.e. copper/denim.

[1665fan]

Font doesn’t look fat enough for gilt dial to me, like the color tho

[springer]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

Font doesn’t look fat enough for gilt dial to me, like the color tho

Fonts look fine to me. All the fonts were pretty much the same on these vintage inserts except for the super fat fonts found toward the end of the 1960s to 1970. They changed a little also toward the end of the 1970s and into the 1980s.

Owners of these gilts are notorious for placing super fat font inserts on their watches whether correct or not.

[DSplash]

Hi
Here is a better daylight picture of this last insert!
I think it looks very nice! Any doubts? (Shown on a tudor just to give an idea, the seller doesn’t have a matching watch)
Is it gilt compatible?
Thx!



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[charlitos]

No vintage, but original faded.






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[mineral]

The Pepsi blue and red insert faded differently depending on the model, production era, exposure to sun etc. it is fun to collect them




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[meyers]

@mineral beautiful faded pepsi! My 16710 has a nearly identical faded pepsi

[mineral]

Originally Posted by meyers

@mineral beautiful faded pepsi! My 16710 has a nearly identical faded pepsi

Very nice and look perfect on you. Enjoy


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[charlitos]

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