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Abarth90 · 7 May 2019, 04:12 AM

Hey TRF!

Maybe some "case-experts" could chime in:

I am interested in buying this watch and would like to ask: does it look overpolished to you or is it fine?

all the best,

meyers · 7 May 2019, 04:27 AM

Maybe it's just me but it's hard to tell from those photos when they're washed out like that

On the surface it kinda looks alright. The lugs appear to have some bevel/chamfer and the springbars aren't extruding from the lug holes, which points to "looks good". But yeah, difficult to say for sure. If it were me, I'd politely ask for better photos

Awesome reference though! Gotta love those serif inserts

Lug holes, non-SELs, but a Swiss-made dial lead me to think A-serial?

Boaters · 7 May 2019, 04:35 AM

Get a better picture of the lug holes would tell a lot if they are crisp or rounded out. Looks okay but as said your pics are washed out and makes it hard to tell.

Abarth90 · 7 May 2019, 04:39 AM

thank u!

Abarth90 · 7 May 2019, 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meyers

Maybe it's just me but it's hard to tell from those photos when they're washed out like that

On the surface it kinda looks alright. The lugs appear to have some bevel/chamfer and the springbars aren't extruding from the lug holes, which points to "looks good". But yeah, difficult to say for sure. If it were me, I'd politely ask for better photos

Awesome reference though! Gotta love those serif inserts

Lug holes, non-SELs, but a Swiss-made dial lead me to think A-serial?

its from 1990 so E-Serial

faimag · 7 May 2019, 04:41 AM

somewhat polished but still quite ok. it retains most of the original case features. Go for it! But be aware this has a service dial.

bondtoys · 7 May 2019, 04:42 AM

When new, the lugs on the 11 and 7 hour side are thicker then those on the crown side.

On this particular watch, the lugs on the crown side are thicker but still not really strong.
Particularly the lug at 7 is too thin imo

Yes, i‘d not take this watch with that degree of polishing

Seibei · 7 May 2019, 04:46 AM

Looks fine to me.

meyers · 7 May 2019, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faimag

be aware this has a service dial.

Yup

Abarth90 · 7 May 2019, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bondtoys

When new, the lugs on the 11 and 7 hour side are thicker then those on the crown side.

On this particular watch, the lugs on the crown side are thicker but still not really strong.
Particularly the lug at 7 is too thin imo

Yes, i‘d not take this watch with that degree of polishing

thank u for your input - i am really biased haha

Abarth90 · 7 May 2019, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meyers

Yup

oh well Service Dial ... - thank you for the Info!

Seibei · 7 May 2019, 05:01 AM

Sorry for the ignorant question, but is the fact that the watch has a service dial a big deal? The dial is correct and it looks great, right?

Fatso · 7 May 2019, 05:12 AM

Service dial with "Swiss Made"? Shouldn't it be "Swiss" only?

spoilsofwar01 · 7 May 2019, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fatso

Service dial with "Swiss Made"? Shouldn't it be "Swiss" only?

Mine reads Swiss T<25 but then again it is from the 1970's, things may have been different then.

m j b · 7 May 2019, 05:20 AM

As a caveat that it's really difficult to take super-sharp pictures of a shiny watch, these pictures don't show enough detail.

It appears to me that it has been polished but it's nice to see that (so far) the anti-polishing crowd has yet to go nuts and tell you that it was "ruined" and not worthy of anyone's wrist.

I know nothing about the service dial, but I'm really digging that red GMT hand.

Abarth90 · 7 May 2019, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m j b

As a caveat that it's really difficult to take super-sharp pictures of a shiny watch, these pictures don't show enough detail.

It appears to me that it has been polished but it's nice to see that (so far) the anti-polishing crowd has yet to go nuts and tell you that it was "ruined" and not worthy of anyone's wrist.

I know nothing about the service dial, but I'm really digging that red GMT hand.

i think it looks ok as well, but for 11K Euro i really want to be sure :)

1665fan · 7 May 2019, 06:27 AM

Priced way to high for what it is....need serial number to make sure it’s service dial. One more polish and it will be overpolished that’s for sure

The Libertine · 7 May 2019, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1665fan

Priced way to high for what it is....need serial number to make sure it’s service dial. One more polish and it will be overpolished that’s for sure

I agree. Comes to over $12K (after a rough conversion from Euros), and would not pay that high for that particular specimen.

wigdog63 · 7 May 2019, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faimag

somewhat polished but still quite ok. it retains most of the original case features. Go for it! But be aware this has a service dial.

Can you educate me please? How do you spot the service dial?
Thanks.

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Fleetlord · 7 May 2019, 07:12 AM

Hard Pass on this one.

Should be under 9K.

$12k commands the crispest possible unpolished case and a complete and mint full set.

Don't overspend due to FOMO

meyers · 7 May 2019, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wigdog63

Can you educate me please? How do you spot the service dial?

OP indicated 1990 E-Serial. A period-correct dial for this year/serial would show T<25, not SWISS MADE.

wigdog63 · 7 May 2019, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meyers

OP indicated 1990 E-Serial. A period-correct dial for this year/serial would show T<25, not SWISS MADE.

Lovely- thanks.
I had the same watch from 2001 but sold it in 2006

- my biggest watch related regret!
Only recently back in the Rolex fold with a 114060 and enjoying the brand again.

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Fatso · 7 May 2019, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoilsofwar01

Mine reads Swiss T<25 but then again it is from the 1970's, things may have been different then.

Agreed on the older tritium service dials but I thought luminova service dials only said "Swiss" or possibly "T < 25" (when they transitioned from Tritium to Luminova) and that original luminova dials said "Swiss Made" making this some "custom" replacement.

meyers · 7 May 2019, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wigdog63

Lovely- thanks.
I had the same watch from 2001 but sold it in 2006

- my biggest watch related regret!

A regret that can easily be remedied! Although perhaps at a higher cost than 2006

(2001 was a great year for the 16710. Lugs + SELs = a desired combination!)

MagPI · 7 May 2019, 07:51 AM

I would not pay over $6000 usd for that example.

Kingsking · 7 May 2019, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagPI

I would not pay over $6000 usd for that example.

Is that being realistic though? a quick search on watchrecon doesnt turn up a single 16710 for less than 8k listed recently. You might get the watch head for $6000usd.

lee fowler · 7 May 2019, 08:12 AM

In a word, yes.

inadeje · 7 May 2019, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

Hard Pass on this one.

Should be under 9K.

$12k commands the crispest possible unpolished case and a complete and mint full set.

Don't overspend due to FOMO

I agree with fleetford. Would not pay 12k for this. Completely unpolished and 100% original throughout can be easily had for 12k.

lee fowler · 7 May 2019, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fatso

Agreed on the older tritium service dials but I thought luminova service dials only said "Swiss" or possibly "T < 25" (when they transitioned from Tritium to Luminova) and that original luminova dials said "Swiss Made" making this some "custom" replacement.

The transition from tritium to luminova was around 1999 and those watches had Swiss only dials.

Abarth90 · 7 May 2019, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

Hard Pass on this one.

Should be under 9K.

$12k commands the crispest possible unpolished case and a complete and mint full set.

Don't overspend due to FOMO

Thank u! My Feeling was "its too expensive" for this condition.

Thank u all! I hope I will find a nice 1990 16710 Version soon :)

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m j b "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Michael Location: RTP, NC, USA Watch: ♕& Ω Posts: 5,095	As a caveat that it's really difficult to take super-sharp pictures of a shiny watch, these pictures don't show enough detail. It appears to me that it has been polished but it's nice to see that (so far) the anti-polishing crowd has yet to go nuts and tell you that it was "ruined" and not worthy of anyone's wrist. I know nothing about the service dial, but I'm really digging that red GMT hand. __________________ Enjoy life - it has an expiration date. Disclaimer: Please note that the avatar is not an accurate representation of how I look. The camera adds 10 pounds...

7 May 2019, 08:12 AM	#27
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7 May 2019, 04:27 AM	#2
meyers Banned Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: ○ Watch: 16710 Posts: 435	Maybe it's just me but it's hard to tell from those photos when they're washed out like that On the surface it kinda looks alright. The lugs appear to have some bevel/chamfer and the springbars aren't extruding from the lug holes, which points to "looks good". But yeah, difficult to say for sure. If it were me, I'd politely ask for better photos Awesome reference though! Gotta love those serif inserts Lug holes, non-SELs, but a Swiss-made dial lead me to think A-serial?

7 May 2019, 04:35 AM	#3
Boaters 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: Pacific Northwest Watch: 116610LV 16710 SD Posts: 10,649	Get a better picture of the lug holes would tell a lot if they are crisp or rounded out. Looks okay but as said your pics are washed out and makes it hard to tell.

7 May 2019, 04:41 AM	#6
faimag "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: US, SG, DK, GR Watch: Reverso Posts: 3,071	somewhat polished but still quite ok. it retains most of the original case features. Go for it! But be aware this has a service dial.

7 May 2019, 04:42 AM	#7
bondtoys "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: World Watch: 16750 Posts: 2,719	When new, the lugs on the 11 and 7 hour side are thicker then those on the crown side. On this particular watch, the lugs on the crown side are thicker but still not really strong. Particularly the lug at 7 is too thin imo Yes, i‘d not take this watch with that degree of polishing

7 May 2019, 04:46 AM	#8
Seibei Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: New Zealand Watch: 114060 Posts: 2,630	Looks fine to me.

7 May 2019, 05:01 AM	#12
Seibei Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: New Zealand Watch: 114060 Posts: 2,630	Sorry for the ignorant question, but is the fact that the watch has a service dial a big deal? The dial is correct and it looks great, right?

7 May 2019, 06:27 AM	#17
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,591	Priced way to high for what it is....need serial number to make sure it’s service dial. One more polish and it will be overpolished that’s for sure

7 May 2019, 07:12 AM	#20
Fleetlord "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vain Posts: 5,918	Hard Pass on this one. Should be under 9K. $12k commands the crispest possible unpolished case and a complete and mint full set. Don't overspend due to FOMO

7 May 2019, 07:51 AM	#25
MagPI "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: USA Posts: 208	I would not pay over $6000 usd for that example.

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