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29 June 2020, 11:05 PM | #31 |
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I’m not excusing anything, I’m just stating facts. Has PP ever been best at finishing? No. Was PP better at finishing in the ”good old days”? No. Is it a jerk move to charge $$$$ for this level of finishing? Probably. Are people who pay 2-3x msrp for this stuff dumb? I’ll leave that one to each to decide.
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29 June 2020, 11:07 PM | #32 |
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Makes more sense now ....I am no PP expert but all I ever hear about PP is the level of finishing the beautiful this and that ...then macro shots comes and whoa crap shoot . Ultimately yes vote w your wallet , personally I don’t like the watch that was pictured and no one walks around w a loupe but it would bug me to see the price vs finish ... |
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29 June 2020, 11:17 PM | #34 |
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That is a surprise, I studied my 5196 before purchase and I would consider that to be the entry level model and that one is perfect.
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Please post lume pics, sounds like it might be a 'defective' timepiece.
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29 June 2020, 11:38 PM | #37 |
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imagine you are a watchmaker at the factory. you know that the watch is going to be sold no matter what. in fact, it's already sold out for the discernible future and it will be sold sight unseen perhaps many times over. you know that his watch will be worth more the second it is sold. how would you expect things to play out?
i also smile to myself thinking about a patron coming to the AD to collect his aquanaut with loupe in hand. the champagne has been chilled, and the patron examines the watch and says, "no thanks, the finishing is off, please call me when a better example arrives." HAHA. good luck with receiving that call. |
29 June 2020, 11:50 PM | #38 |
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Took macro shots of my brand new 5164a. Very disappointed
Just to state the obvious, the OP's photos are up to 20x size and even Lange will struggle at this enlargement to look perfect - indeed there is a thread on another forum pointing out the poor finish of the back of a Lange hand being reflected in the polished moonphase display.
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29 June 2020, 11:55 PM | #39 |
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Thanks! Looks like these systems are pretty pricey. Are they worth it or is there another Loupe for iphone out there that you or others might recommend.
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30 June 2020, 12:02 AM | #40 |
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definitely worth considering but also keeping in perspective.
if op's shots are 20x mag, then we'd have to compare other brands with similar macro shots an entry level patek could be 20k, but that is still 20k no matter how you look at it. will patek hold value, appreciate, etc etc ? sure, but not if it becomes known for poor finishing. |
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I don't use a tripod with my LoupeSystem (which would help), but even handheld it does a great job. https://youtu.be/dRvyap8Mnr4 |
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30 June 2020, 12:43 AM | #42 |
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I will ring my AD tomorrow and see what their response it.
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30 June 2020, 12:59 AM | #43 |
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OP those are really great pictures. (Quality of the pictures I mean) Do you mind me asking what camera and lens you used?
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30 June 2020, 01:25 AM | #44 |
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Very bad and appropriate to be disappointed.
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I emailed Patek about it, very disappointing. Why is it that Grand Seikos are immaculate under a microscope but we can't get the same level of attention to detail from our favorite genevese brands. Do they really have to squeeze out more margin per unit at the individual parts level? If they source the hands from a supplier, how much more could a little bit of extra paint and QC cost extra. When you're already charging $35k for the watch you'd think that's enough spread where they can deliver superior quality and service.
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https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...6#post10694016
I mention on the other thread last week..^^^.. Post 49....^^^ Recap on last week what I mention by reading my bottom post...... Quote:
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Would love to see some macros of F.P. Journe on this thread.
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This dial picture is horrendous. That’s really not zoomed in much. Maybe 4x? Horrendous and embarrassing for Patek. Low end, sport watch, whatever they call it, it’s bad. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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The problem with all the 5164 & recently 5167, Patek Philippe used the new lume called C1.... My 5167 lume used C3.... Here some of the pictures..... Out in the bright sunlight.....^^^.... Outdoor in the shade......^^^...... Indoor normal light environment...^^^... 85% in the dark environment.......^^^....
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Well OP, if you want to use a loupe at that price level, get a Lange or a Vacheron, your Aquanaut is for people across the room to say „look he‘s got an Aquanaut“, and those folks won’t see whether it’s even ticking.
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GS does not polish the underside of the hands. The dials/hands also have flaws...sometimes:
1) Snowflake - Start at 9:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y89rYmxeyDw 2) SBGE 201 start at 9:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnhmkkgeoYs&t=436s |
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I’m sorry, but those who are in some way justifying this: what exactly are we paying for if this is acceptable at any level, but the name and the storied history?
I’d like to think that this is an oversight by QA, and not representative of an acceptable level of finishing for any PP. |
30 June 2020, 06:34 AM | #58 |
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It is a little disappointing to be sure. The good news, I guess, is there are many brands out there with finishing to high micro standards which are very obtainable. Grand Seiko is just one of many.
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30 June 2020, 06:36 AM | #59 |
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Forgetting to finish side surfaces on all three hands, which were almost certainly not manufactured simultaneously, is an oversight? I don’t think so. The lume debacle someone posted in the other lemon Aquanaut grief thread, sure. But this? Would be like getting caught shoplifting three different items at the same time and claiming oops didn’t mean to.
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I'm not impressed. I would be disappointed too. Those hands look cheap and they shouldn't in a $50k watch. They look much better in an entry level Calatrava.
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